Arizona: Multi-Generational Missing Time

1/10/2020

Arizona MUFON Field Investigators: Shane Hurd and Tara Diulus

Case 103775: One of the most bizarre missing time episodes comes from Arizona in 1995 . . . and thereafter. Here are the words of the primary witness, the mother of a 14-year old daughter:

“In Tucson, my daughter and I were sitting in the living room one night in the 1990s when she grabbed her chest and started screaming. I rushed her to the [emergency room] where they said her muscles had been dislodged from her chest which was like a football injury when a player gets their chest wall slammed, but I told them we were watching TV, and they said it was impossible to happen by watching TV. I talked to another mother there, and the exact thing happened to her 14-year old daughter while watching TV.

“[We] left [the hospital] at midnight, exactly, and are only three minutes from the hospital. I was driving on the overpass, I vaguely remember a blinding light engulfing my car and my daughter screaming, when suddenly my car was under the overpass facing the wrong direction, engine idling and the car clock flashing 1:30 AM. 1.5 hours of lost time. I found my bearings and drove back up the overpass, and there was a UFO about 7 feet above my hood. It was round, about 8 feet wide, made no noise, had red, blue and white lights spinning on the bottom of it. I was in awe driving slowly, and it followed me home. My daughter was terrified and screaming, ‘Go! Go! Go!’ We get to the house and my son and cousins are there and awake, and they see it hovering over the trees behind my house for over an hour. My car had electrical problems. My cousin said someone had been on the roof trying to get in, and she dreamed it was tall, blonde aliens.

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Rodger Allen

1/10/2020 01:08:55 pm

Flying saucer hovering for over an hour behind house and no videos or pictures??? That I don't belive.

Thomas McGinn

1/12/2020 12:45:51 pm

It was 1995, no digital cameras, heck most of the world never heard of the internet. Image the great pic the Polaroid would have taken.

Mmiller

1/12/2020 01:26:06 pm

Some of the most famous (McMinnville farmer Trents photo comes to mind) UAP photos ever taken are on old school film cameras. Much harder to fake those. No C.G.I.means models on strings or thrown hubcaps. I really question most modern photos done digitally ...the more perfect they are the more suspect I become. I know from my own experience ...sometimes digital cameras don't always catch a UAP image. I had a silent light (craft) pass over a field and slow almost to a stop over my house after I flashed S.O.S. with a flashlight at it....and 7 digital photos showed nothing. I think the power source of these craft disrupts the electronics of these cameras. So if they had a old school film camera..and a craft hovered for over an hour...they should of had the holy grail of ufos photos. They even had time to drive to the store to buy film and return.

Mmiller

1/12/2020 01:48:48 pm

Another thing is....as traumatic as this was for mother and daughter not to mention something on the roof trying to get in....wouldn't you call the police or sherrif department?. They had an hour to respond. No other witnesses???

Mmiller

1/12/2020 01:56:24 pm

Oh and I hate to date myself but yes we had digital cameras in 1995. Not powerful like today's but we had them. I bought my first camcorder in 1984.

ken lowe

1/14/2020 12:54:49 pm

im sure a highly intelligent alien species that has master intersteller flight wont have any problem getting in to a house..

Mmiller

1/15/2020 02:12:27 pm

Funny how in these abduction cases they appear to pass trough Windows and walls rendering the abducted person weightless. And yet they have to travel around in little saucers..flying examination rooms...which sometimes crash or break down. And as advanced as they are technically they keep repeating the same crude examinations ( long needle in navel..implants shoved into nose..skin scrapping...cattle mutilation..rectum exams) when all the need is a saliva sample or hair sample. That's how we do it now. Seems as though they are a little backwards on some technical aspects.

Tech Jeff

1/17/2020 03:55:04 pm

It is interesting, is it not, that pain and fear seem to be the hallmarks of nearly every alien abduction\visitation scenario. Needles plunged into flesh, terribly scary cattle mutilations, stealing of genetic data, all these make for a high "creepy factor" about abductions.

I heard one investigator say that it is not necessary, that most people would likely cooperate if a tall blond alien simply rang the doorbell, introduced themselves and asked if they could perform a few medical tests. Look at the crazy things our Doctors do to people! I think the investigator is right. I would be startled, of course, but the chance to learn of an alien culture would outweigh any and all fears. Surely there is a way to introduce oneself without all the dramatics...

Yet these reports invariably border on, and sometimes exceed, our most horrific ideals,

Why is that? What is it, if it is an it at all, that wants to cause pain, frighten people and leave them in mental and physical pain? Frankly, if these reports are real and not some sort of psychological phenomenon, then we have much to fear.

Either aliens are terribly mean and brutal, delighting in the torture of innocent, defenseless, pain feeling creatures or they are demonic, truly bringing hell to Earth. There are those that claim exactly that. And that would easily explain why these visitations seem so horrific... We are dealing with creatures that see us as food, that live off our pain and fear and terror.

This is the dark side of the alien phenomenon that no one wants to acknowledge. Yet research is replete with the intense fear and pain of most alien encounters.

If there really is something going on, and physical evidence suggest there is, we have much to fear from these episodes...

Mmiller

1/17/2020 09:58:56 pm

I think your spot on there Jeff..I couldn't agree more. You would think a race technically advanced enough to travel faster than light or more likely interdimensionally would have genetics figured out far far ahead of us. A swab..a hair..has the whole DNA code right there. Why would you continue to need more and more samples of human and animal DNA. Now if claims of hybrids in glass tubes is true aboard motherships...then they might be slightly ahead of us in the genetic field....but their bedside manners are horrible. And why wipe the memorys of the event from the mind? We don't do that when we tag animals. It seems through the years they have mimicked our technology. I think they tweeked our DNA eons ago. Then we had the airship sightings before man had balloons. The 50s through the 70s there were a lot of rocket craft...with portholes and flames no less. Little landing craft like we were designing for the moon.Then came the saucers and cigars. Now it's triangles.( I have yet to see an abduction on a landed triangle). And most importantly NOT ALL alien encounters are demonic or evil although as you stated some are and do seem demonic. Physicists think there up to 10 or more dimensions maybe some are normal galaxy's such as ours...maybe some are heaven or hell. And some of these encounters are downright goofy..like a episode of lost in space. Aliens land and cook flapjacks..or repair their ship with crescent wrenches..or ask for water or cow manure. Some Spaceships with flames? Some with streampunk levers and gauges or ladders. Goofy looking beings with 1950s looking spacesuits on that hover weightless and have eagle emblems on the helmets. But I don't doubt what sane and sober witnesses report. Then we have the mother of all sightings....the "starship" class sightings. Craft so big they can't be from here due to their size. The Phoenix Lights..the walnut shaped craft that followed Japan airlines 747 cargo jet over Alaska..the stadium sized craft with Windows over British Columbia ..all of these witnessed by hundreds of people. These are simply not ours. From a different galaxy. Very advanced. So these flying examination rooms the grays seem to use must be scout ships from a mothership. And some abduction cases involve Nordics working with grays. Maybe this is to deceive abductees into believing they are benign. Maybe they work to geather to help us. Some cases...Betty and Barney Hill for instance..the grays were quite nice to them..although they were understandably freaked out. I really wonder what would happen if during one of these demonic abductions....grays ramming probes into a nasal cavity..or long needles jammed into the stomach...if you started quoting biblical verses. Wavering a bible and a crucifix quoteing biblical verses to the Dr. Grays? Now if they new who Jesus Christ was..And who our God is...would you get a exorcism like effect? Would they vaporize right then and there? Or would they stare and wonder what is wrong with this human holding a metal trinket and a strange book and speaking in tongues.? After all maybe their God is a sea snail in some distant ocean 100s of light years away. And why are these people even awake? Unless they feed on our fear or get energy from our souls wouldn't it be more convenient and efficient to use anesthesia and knock out the abductees. Pick them up..do your study's...drop them off ...And on your way. The same old study's.over and over. It makes you wonder. Ever wonder why the Mayans built all their temples flat on top like a landing pad? With steps on all four sides like a loading ramp? Maybe that's what happened to the Mayan civilization. All those sacrifices....blood...pulling beating hearts out of victims....what a great DNA supply! The more I research the more questions I have.

Mike K

1/17/2020 11:23:33 pm

Actually, there has been numerous times a witness speaks the name of Christ or asks them to leave in the name of Christ and they comply, Ive heard this happen in a lot of cases.

Mmiller

1/18/2020 02:16:19 am

That's interesting Mike.Interesting they would recognize the name Christ. I'm pretty sure they would know nothing of the bible anymore than we would know how they manipulate gravity or travel through dimensions. I don't disbelieve you I'm Just curious in what form our God would appear to them. :)

Mmiller

1/18/2020 09:43:35 am

Don't get me wrong Mike ...I am religious in my own way...I belive God made earth ...the galaxy's the whole shabang!!! It's too PERFECT to have happened randomly. And also too beautiful. But if what happened on earth according to the bible happened here....it couldn't have happened that way on an alien world somewhere else like it happened here. The great flood could not have happened on a waterless planet....baby Jesus could not have been born underwater on a aquatic planet . It will be interesting to see what alien beliefs are. Who is to say we are right ..they are wrong. I don't want to get into religious bantering...more people have been killed on this planet over religion than anything else. The alien/religion factor might be a huge reason the government doesn't want disclosure. That's possibly the reason the Vatican and Pope are changing their view on the possibility of life elsewhere. Slowly acclimate the population. That's only one of the many issues of disclosure. Hopefully we can all get along. :)

Svetlana

1/18/2020 10:14:52 am

About the name of Christ....I don't think it is the name but the prayer itself and the conditions of the brain waves during the prayer...

Mmiller

1/18/2020 11:07:58 am

Very interesting theory. I like it. Maybe it short circuits their mental telepathic hold on abductees. Or maybe the start see the light...And get confused as to what's going on. A person could write a book on this subject. :)

Tech Jeff

1/20/2020 12:41:52 pm

Thank you for the reply- there is a lot there to reply to!

It might be helpful to break abductions this down into three categories. Those three being visitations that are physical in nature, those that are spiritual in nature and those that are psychological or mental in nature.

By so doing we come by an old adage of logic. That being measure what can be measured, make measurable what is not. This then naturally leads to categories and so that’s what I am proposing here.
I am most familiar with those abductions that are more spiritual in nature. I came about this knowledge accidently while speaking to someone on the internet. As it turned out, he had been a victim of what he could only call spiritual abductions. As such, he was truly well informed and sincere. I have no doubt that he experienced what to him were abductions.

It is interesting to note that in his work helping others who have had these experiences, he finds several common factors to what I would call spiritual abductions.

First, there is always an interest in the occult elements present. Communication with spirits, channeling, Ouija boards, that sort of thing. And there is almost always a multigenerational interest in the occult. In other terms, mom and dad were into the occult as well. This is a common moniker in nearly all types of multi-generational, spiritually based abductions.

I suggest then that in order to be categorized as a spiritual abduction, there must be an interest in the occult on the part of the victim or the victim’s family. And the word victim is an appropriate term. These events are terrifying and if the person could stop them, they certainly would.

My friend’s spiritual abductions started as just a little child. His parents actually remember seeing him with the aliens and were unable to help him. They were both paralyzed. Both told exactly the same story, so it was unlikely that this was an imagination. My friend began to have more frequent visits from these aliens as he grew up. Their “experiments” were nothing less than abject torture and occurred quite frequently. He was once told that he had agreed to this before he was born and that he was serving a “higher purpose” by allowing these tortures to continue.

Eventually, he claims to have found Christ- and ever since then the abductions have stopped.
But he further knows many other people with similar experiences. He has dedicated his life to leading people out of the darkness of what I categorize as spiritual abductions. In so doing, he has met other people that tell nearly identical stories and others that have dedicated themselves to ending what I call spiritual abductions. It is fascinating to note there are entire networks of these people out there helping the victims of spiritual abductions.

In your reply, you mention using the name of Christ during a spiritual abduction. Among the people that my friends have helped, they lead the person to Christianity first, then advise them to command the abduction to end in the name of Christ. According to them, using the name of Christ often has no effect if the person has not accepted Christ as Lord. It apparently requires that they become a Christian first. As far as I know, this is the only effective way to stop what I term as a “spiritual abduction.” But my experience is limited to Christianity, as it is the predominant religion I am familiar with. It would be interesting to note, as one commentator did, that the state of prayer may have some value in fending off such spiritual abductions.
Forgive me if I sound somewhat clinically detached. I have the deepest of empathies for anyone suffering during these events. But my purpose as a MUFON Investigator is to glean as much factual information as possible. That is especially difficult in situations that don’t lend themselves to scientific investigations, but as far as possible I wish to stick to that path. If you know of anyone suffering in a spiritual abduction, please do refer them to me and I will introduce them to people that can help.
On a side note, I have some small experience related to these events.

After agreeing to help my friend by live streaming his event detailing on spiritual abductions in Roswell and making CDs available for purchase via the internet, strange events began to occur to me and my family almost immediately.

On evening, my daughter began to climb the stairs in our two story house. As she reached the first landing, the metal gate just outside the window began to be rattled violently. One should understand that such force was involved in rattling the fence, that this could not be just the wind. Had this merely been the powerful winds in our part of the country, it would have blown the house off its foundation. To make the fence rattle like that. I speak of a force that was violent, strong and willful. No blast of wind could have

Tech Jeff

1/20/2020 12:43:19 pm

No blast of wind could have escaped our notice and only affected the fence. And it could not have been any force of nature without affecting everything in the area.

We had two dogs in the house at the time that responded to the event in a strange manner.
The first dog is nearly deaf and I doubt she could have heard the gate rattling. Yet her head snapped to the stairwell landing, ears back and in a posture of aggression common when a dog sights an intruder. The second dog was in a basement kennel and barked in a warning method identical to the first dog.
I find it most interesting that this event “waited” until my daughter happened to be in a perfect place to be frightened. Her position was perfect for maximum fear, being right next to and slightly above where the fence attaches to the house. The next day I checked all around the fence looking for footprints. There were no prints there in the snow. If someone had been engaging in a practical joke, their prints would have been seen in the snow.

Leading up to the event itself were all sorts of what I term as “stupid mistakes.” I have had an interest in video production and streaming since the early 1990’s. I would not say I am a professional, but I am experienced enough to not make silly mistakes. All manner of strange things began to happen. Things like missing cables that I know I packed, my luggage was disturbed at the airport, equipment failed that was always reliable, the air condition broke at the venue site and we were setting up in a building that exceeded 110F during the day. The AC was not repaired until right before the event and there were many other odd things that occurred. It seemed as though someone did not want us to do this event on spiritual abductions. Right up until an hour beforehand there was some major doubt as to the ability to broadcast. I have never had so many errors in a field event before or since.

When I was younger, I installed video cameras on roller coasters. These are the type that take your picture during a drop and put it on a screen as you come off the coaster. You can then buy your picture, T-shirt, mug what have you. I traveled as far away as Australia- and had less trouble than I did at this event. In fact, the amount of trouble I had experienced at this one event exceeded an entire career as a coaster camera installer.

We did pull it off- but just barely.

This left me with a unique understanding of the air around what I call spiritual abductions… I feel that whatever these are, they are not physical in the nature that we understand as physical. I do not feel these are aliens either. Something is “piggybacking” off what may be real alien visitations. Something is attempting to insert their own narrative and use what may be real alien visitation –or at least the idea of alien visitations- for their own purposes.

If the Bible is to be believed, there are constant battles in dimensions we cannot understand and perceive. In my experience, I would say there is some evidence for this interpretation. Granted, my education and experience makes me biased towards a biblical interpretation, but we all have a bias no matter where we start from. However, I feel confident in asserting the three categories of abductions as valid.

Spiritual, Physical and Mental.

Physical would be something along the lines of residual evidence. For instance the markings on the top of the car, scars on the body, x-rays of implants, etc. Also verifiable absence from the scene would qualify as physical in nature.

Mental would qualify as craft that are powered by steam or driven by preposterous means or dreamlike events that don’t have any grounding in reality.

On a closing note, I would prefer to be involved in the physical investigation of evidence and the recording of evidence with instruments. However, I do seem to forever be involved in the spiritual, physical and mental aspects of abductions. I became a MUFON Field Investigator to investigate physical evidences of landings and sightings; however if the direction I am pulled is towards this, so be it.
Sorry for the REALLY long reply. But these subjects are not something that can be discussed in 30 second sound bites or Twitter feeds.

Tech Jeff

Mmiller

1/21/2020 03:44:41 pm

Spiritual physical and mental. This is a good category separation however I belive they sometimes overlap. Thanks for your detailed reply by the way. Physical. These are the ones no one disputs except nonbelievers. Craft lands ..gear indents..footprints..scorched brush..radiation..etc.etc. These are the cut and dry cases. Mental. The mental cases are the ones that are wacky. Plain as day saucer splits in two or morphs into a ball. Even a physical alien craft should not be able to do that. I had a beach ball sized orange orb floated over my roofline a month ago when I took out the garbage. Not a nuts and bolts craft. Nor drone or balloon or Chinese lantern. Wife and I saw one roll into two several years ago. One shot off followed by the other seconds later. Intelligent. I have two theorys of what these orbs are ...seen worldwide. One is a light being. So advanced it needs no craft to travel interdimensionally. Intelligent. Advanced. The other theory is a little more frightening. I.G.D.s (INTELLIGENCE GATHERING DEVICES) probes releases by craft..mainly triangles. They are seen everywhere following planes..cars..over powerplants and missle silos...even peering in Windows. Research the Betz sphere. I belive besides gathering information about humanity they may be involved in telepathically or electronically altering our consciousness and / or DNA. These may even be the crewmembers of these triangles...organic or robotic in nature. Why? Because humanity is capped. We need to become self aware and enlightened. We are one step away from being cavemen with nukes...And we can guess how that's going to end. And I'm convinced our space force is NOT warping around in triangles a mile or more wide. Also in this category are a lot of criptozooilgy creatures. Bigfoot. Native Americans knew of him. But he can disappear at will especially when shot. Also a huge flap involving ufos and Bigfoot. Read Stan Gordon's book Silent Invasion. Are Bigfoot creatures flying around like Chewbacca in ufos?Mothman.Reptilian Lizardmen. Even Loc Ness monster. All seem to point to some sort of cross phasing of dimensions. Which also..I belive..can include evil alien encounters. With 10 or more possible dimensions it's not inconceivable to speculate that some contain heaven or hell. Is it not possible there could be an alien hell. Could they not pass over into our realm.? Is it not inconceivable that a dimension could hold and manifest our "ID" our primordial darkness of the mind? Imagine the worst evil monster of your nightmares come to visit from dimension X. Is there evil in the universe? Most definitely. Could evil aliens be here to steal our souls. Yup. But the line is sometimes blurred between evil and "regular " Aliens. Same with Bigfoot. Known for hundreds of years around the world in one form or another...yeti..Bigfoot...skunk ape..yet no bones. We have evidence of everything that would point to an animal..yet it disappears at will. It sounds to me as if you had a poltergeist experience with your daughter. Young people seem to generate energy that acts that way. Gates rattling..cupboards opening and closing..etc.etc. It really will be interesting when a alien craft lands. Most likely they will belive in a creator..a supreme being. But I doubt it will be anything like ours. How could it be.? The bible was written by man. The alien "bible" will be quite different from ours. I doubt God will be a guy with a robe and beard sitting on a cloud to them. Really to me these evil alien encounters that end with the abductees proclaiming Jesus Christ as their savior make me think we are dealing with Satan. Maybe it does have something to do with mind wavelengths or maybe it goes back to the "ID" or our minds darkside. After all someone from the zeti-reticuli star system would have no idea who Jesus Christ is or what the bible says. Most of these evil encounters seem to involve the little grays. Yet not all are.if the little grays work for Satan then why are they seen with the friendly Nordics? Or in the Hills case a friendly encounter. I guess just like here on earth there are bad ones and good ones. It's all very strange. Perhaps whatever our minds can conjure up can exsist in dimensions far beyond the boundaries of our minds. And maybe other creatures visit those dimensions consciously or unconsciously resulting in a bizarre interdimensional crossover of reality. Perhaps. Very bizarre.

Mmiller

1/21/2020 04:02:39 pm

AND if Satan is sometimes masquerading as little gray aliens I certainly hope our government is aware of it. If we really made a deal for technology exchange for abduction approval with the grays...then we really did make a deal with the devil. And because this is all so bizarre and overlapping I see why disclosure is never going to happen. Why it can't be disclosed no matter what the cost. The technology shared with us could be used to rule the world. The devils minions..The grays can feed on our souls and live off our fear forever. The devil got a deal.

Mmiller

1/21/2020 05:04:05 pm

And yet these abductees don't really seem to be any worse off afterwards..for the most part. Now I've never been abducted so I'm guessing its quite traumatic. However even these evil and creepy abductions don't leave these people soulless zombies posessed by evil and a servant to the devil. In fact some are enlightened. I really find it hard to think a race of beings a thousand years more advanced than us technology wise would be so capped spiritually that they would have to feed off of other races souls and life energy. Sounds like a episode of star trek.

Mmiller

1/22/2020 09:41:35 am

It's really quite bizarre that Satan would go to all the trouble of masquerading as a group of aliens complete with a advanced craft. Then go to the trouble of following a car..landing...escorting abductees into said craft...performing various exams...then back to the car eraseing the memory of the act from the mind...And on to the next abduction. Seems like a lot to go through...when really all they need to do is appear in your bedroom at night. Poof! Done.! The whole alien/spaceship thing seems a bit theatrical. Unless they are just evil little buggars from a different dimension or galaxy. And if we made a deal with them in the 50s THAT really is scarey.

Tech Jeff

2/6/2020 01:53:14 pm

You touch on some interesting ideas and I feel your theories are not so far off. True, they are only ideas, but one must start somewhere. Even Einstein and Newton started with ideas sprouted from "a story."

So why would Satan be so "foolish" as to perform essentially a play that the memory of which remains hidden... until the exact right time it seems.

Unless of course this is a seed.

One sees it all the time in marketing.

A seed or a tease is planted. We love nothing more than a mystery that can be solved. And all that we must do is wait for the next ad to unfold. We look for it, indeed fantasize about it and feel a deep reward when we finally "discover" it.

Yet we discovered nothing, save that which we were led to discover. This type of discovery then, is a manipulation- not a discovery at all. Any manipulation spots from a lie, from a smugly superior attitude of, "For your own good."

It is instead a seed, a negative thing designed to impede discovery of the truth. And someone that does not want to be discovered has no need of the trick, right? A benign or beneficial society of aliens could easily do these things and NEVER be discovered.

Instead we see these "oops" moments everywhere in ufology.

Because we were meant to see them I feel- and not to our own good.

I feel that all of these seeds may, when taken root and mature, lead to some sort of "revelation."

But a false one.

How many billions would fawn over "savior aliens" appearing and explaining that Ala, Buddha, Yahweh ad infinitum are really just various manifestation of the one true God? Hell there are already people saying that right now!!!

These aliens would explain that really, we got it all wrong and corrupted it all up. They served it up pure, but "evil" people bent on their own lifting, screwed it up. (Again, an already VERY common idea.)

And what would be the piecederesitance?

Why explaining that Christ was one of them, come to set us straight and open the intergalactic doorway to peace, brotherhood and God. All his miracles were sent down by the mothership, they were not true miracles at all. "Look," they will say. "We can resurrect from the dead too. We can cure disease, any type! See? It's just technology, not a miracle at all. We ARE Christ- and he was us."

That will be enough for most to simply accept them as saviors. All of our problems will be resolved, peace on Earth, freedom from want, etc or at least promised- if we would just believe.

Then comes the "true religion." A religion that places what is essentially a satanic messiah in place of all the rest. His rallying cry will be, "I can bring peace in our time."

But would a Christ like that use beings that torture to communicate his "values?"

Indeed, I see these seeds we are meant to "accidentally" discover to be at least worth VERY close examinations...

Perhaps these aliens are legit and they have VERY different value systems regarding their sentient "brothers."

But it all just feels a bit too contrived, too managed.

I see you notice that too.

I suppose our only true course of action is to proceed with extreme caution and warn others to do the same- until proven beyond a very reasonable doubt otherwise. Beware aliens bearing gifts -and Gods- should be the watchwords I think...

Mmiller

2/7/2020 09:52:09 pm

Beware indeed Tech Jeff. I have wrestled with these very ideas you spoke of ....so well I might add. I am reminded of the t.v. Mini- series " V " in which the motherships arrive in peace and harmony only to enslave mankind for food. Which is also another theory floating around the UFO community. I think a technically advanced race would not be here to enslave and eat us...but I could be wrong. However I think you hit the nail on the head when you suggested something is "piggybacking" along with real visitations from real aliens. Let's get real....there are hundreds of millions of planets that are inhabited...probably more...in the hundred of billions of galaxy's out there. A well known physicist once claimed.." there are more planets in the universe than all the grains of sand on all the beaches of the world" And that's just in this dimension....times 10 or more dimensions. So at some time or another it's certain a starship from another galaxy has been here. I belive in ancient aliens....so not only have they been here but tweeked our DNA creating the missing monkey link...evolveing to include speech..tool use..and a number of other things that gave us a head start over our primate cousins. He'll there was civilizations that flourished and then were abandoned leaveing only structures that we can't replicate today. So even today I belive we are being visited be benign space brothers. They probably abide by the " prime directive" as in star trek...to not interfere or give advanced technologies to a growing inferior planet. But like you suggested...something is mimicking our technology ( the airship flap...rocket ufos in the 50s..the goofy UFO encounters) and piggybacking or being imposter aliens. And they don't do it on a mass scale as say the Phoenix Lights incident.( real aliens..not imposters). It's one or two people at most. It's been said they need and feed off our fear. Maybe they are preprogrammed cybernetic entities that are not aware of pain. How much genetic material do they need? Why would Satan need genetic material? And why are they so interested in scattering mutilated cattle all around with the same cored out body parts. Why would Satan need cow body parts.? It's said it's a hybrid breeding program..Which seems pretty backwards for a technically advanced race. Maybe they are creating hybrid cyberdemons from Hell...but again seems like a lot of fanfare...Satan should be powerful enough to have a cyberdemon knock on your front door. But I agree with you SOMETHING is going on that's strange with the gray alien encounters. If we made any deals with another race I hope it's with the Nordics. I would love to chat with you about this over a couple beers...I'll buy! :)

Mmiller

2/8/2020 12:17:23 am

I guess it really boils down to this....we are a little blue marble orbiting an ordinary star at the edge of what we call the milky way galaxy. Trillions upon trillions of these galaxy's exsist. And just like a primitive island isolated in the vast ocean.....we are surrounded by strange AND wonderful creatures that we really don't know that much about. When we look out across the ocean it seems as though it's only water and waves....just as when we look up into the sky at night it seems as though it's only stars and empty space. In reality....both are teeming with life....in all shapes and sizes....some friendly and cute. Some will shred or poison you. Both are dangerous places.I'm sure there are a lot of good races that mean no harm out there. However just like people...I'm sure there are some bad ones along with the good ones.. Some of these creatures could conceivably be minions from a interdimensional multi-verse hell that's an alien and not a terrestrial hell. Hopefully the " space police " arrests them all. Maybe.....there is more to our new "space force " than meets the eye. :)

Mmiller

2/8/2020 10:06:19 am

In our previous conversation we touched on the paranormal. The M.I.B.phenomenon certainly boarders on paranormal! Did you ever see Dan Ackroids interview when he talks about a M.I.B. encounter he had. Now here's a guy that needs no fame or fortune...a highly respected MUFON member as well. These cases can't be ignored. They are real. They are goofy..creepy and ghost like. Without getting into great detail into these cases...again it appears they (the aliens) are mimicking our F.B.I. or g-men with black suits and big black sedans from the 50s and 60s. To intimidate UFO witnesses...in person or by mail or phone call. They seem out of touch..out of their time period..almost robotic and quite alien or even cadaver looking. This is the weirdest side of urology there is. And yet I don't doubt the many credible witnesses to these encounters. My take is they are aliens....but with a interdimensional paranormal twist. Just wondering your thoughts on this. Check out Dan's interview.

Miafix

1/26/2020 08:52:11 pm

I have lived in Tucson all my life and I've never heard this story ever and I'm all over that kind of stuff. Where did she live in what part of town.

Debbie Camacho

1/27/2020 02:19:26 pm

Has anyone just tried showing love? I am a strong believer in the notion of love being able to raise the vibration of all living things, which, in turn, can bring calm, peace and understanding. In spite of our fears, we could attempt to show love. Love works in all human languages as a neutral connection, non threatening, non resistant and generally opens doors. I share my DNA now on this planet for research. I'd be happy to share it with my universal family as well in exchange for an explanation of the desired goal. I, like all people, fear the unknown but in knowing the truth, fear dismisses itself. Most likely, they are making connections for a reason and since they haven't obliterated us, their intentions may not be bad at all.

Mmiller

1/27/2020 04:18:04 pm

Right on Debbie. Good for you! Love is a crazy powerful emotion. However haveing never met one personally...The grays seem to be incapable of emotions. They posesse the hive mind mentality....reminiscent of worker bees working to get honey to the hive and protect the queen. It's been said they might even be cloned robotic creatures which probably would not have emotions. It's been said they are very interested in our emotions and our creativity. Apparently there are no artists on zeti-reticuli 1 or 2. But I don't know if love has ever been tryed.I wonder if love would work in a satanic possession?

Tech Jeff

2/6/2020 02:04:46 pm

Hi Debbie. There are accounts that start with love, certainly. Look up "The Friendship Cases" online.

However,

It is pretty difficult to respond in love to beings whose presence is so evil, even if they look benign, that one shudders. Some seem to delight in creating visceral fear- this is one of those times.

It is further impossible to respond with love to someone causing you an extreme agony...

I can't help but feel that if these types of aliens are so much farther ahead of us in love, they would not understand that having tools shoved into one's flesh "hurts."

I don't speak of all alien encounters this way, just ones like this.

Dani

2/3/2020 01:21:05 pm

This was my account. I lived on Stella and Mann area. The reason no one has heard of this is because my daughter didn't want to discuss and I didn't report it until 2019. It was approximately an hour that it hovered behind the alley. Time and space seemed a bit suspended. Some of us were calm, some confused, while some were scared, like my daughter and cousin, but calling police never occurred to me. I did not have any film or a camera at that time. Many other abductions have happened in my family for generations but it is only now that I'm comfortable discussing them and reporting them. This was just 1 occurence out of many. There were 5 of us that witnessed it behind the apt. I'm currently writing a book about our generational experiences so the world will finally know, they gave us alot of information and for future generations of my family.

Mmiller

2/5/2020 09:32:24 am

Please...you and your family need to start packing cameras around with you. And No one saw the craft hovering for an hour above the alley or called police or took photos? If time and space seemed suspended.....it sounds like all 5 of you experienced the " OZ " factor. Strange.

Dani

2/5/2020 10:07:01 am

That was in 1995. I had no camera but I definitely do now. Not sure that the oz factor would explain the physical injury to my daughter or the electronic issues with my car. Maybe many more people did see it hovering. I don't know if they did or if they called it in or not. I know a Dr from the hospital saw it and reported it to a weekly UFO conference.

Mmiller

2/5/2020 09:28:16 pm

Wow. Could you tell the name of your book...I would love to read it. Electrical issues are common as are magnetic anomalies with cars in abduction cases. The "OZ" factor seems to isolate just certain people although I guess it could affect machines as well...cars ..radar..cameras..etc.etc. I experienced it on the beach here in Oregon. Walking with my wife on the beach...when like a light switch..a unbelievable roar overhead. Looked up to see a giant triangle shoot down the beach in the blink of an eye. It actually scared the scrap out of us. I belive the roar was caused by air displacement...one second the craft was there...the next it was not. It created a vacuum in which the air filled in with a roar. Anyway there was no way that no one heard that even over the noise of the ocean. A young couple a few hundred yards ahead of us completely unaware of anything as were a few other beach goers. Kind of like we were the only ones that saw it. In your own bubble. Perhaps between the ticks of the second hand of a watch we witnessed something that bent time and space...shot down the beach...and within the next tick of the second hand of that watch returned everything back to normal. And it was gone.

Tech Jeff

2/6/2020 02:11:32 pm

While I have heard of such experiences, I have never had one. All of my physical sightings have been just that, physical sightings. Everyone that I made aware of them saw them too.

But you are by no means alone in your experiences my friend. Others report similar incidents- and get called insane. Funny how effective peer judgements can be.

Dani

2/6/2020 02:27:39 pm

My book doesn't have a title yet. It will cover my family's generational experiences. There are many and many different kinds. All living beings vibrate at a certain frequency. From low (dark) to high (light). These beings travel in different ways. Some are interdimential, some use light to travel, since they are nearly light. Some use crafts, some crafts are the entity themself. Some are time/space crafts that travel using gravity, magnetic fields, sound, adrenaline and consciousness. My book will include these things along with my knowledge of what they've shown me and told me. They have expanded my consciousness and psychic abilities since childhood. I know that all life is happening at once and you are choosing to be conscious of this moment. You can move freely in and out. God is all. All time, space, matter, antimatter. I know that religion follows the messengers while spiritually follows the message. The religion is not important. My family has been contacted by many different entities. Some have been called angels of the past. Some have been called demons. They are dark and vibrate at a low frequency. You should not fear them because your vibration is higher and they can't hurt you. There are some that can can destroy you with a thought, but they would not. You couldn't fight them and there's really no point. If you pay attn, anyone can see and hear them.

Mmiller

2/7/2020 05:27:04 pm

I just watched " witness to another world" and thought of your experience. A story of a Spanish cowboy who struggles to make sense of a close encounter when he was 9. He also had his consciousness and physic abilities enhanced. It's on Amazon prime. Really our brains only use 1/10 of the potential capabilities it could use. It has been said by many abductees that the visitors feel mankind is spiritually "capped" and needs to be enlightened. I firmly belive a race of humans or maybe non-humans created past civilizations and that they possessed mental powers that have long been forgotten. From the Mayan temples to the pyramids to Stonehenge the knowledge of the earth and its powers...and more importantly the power of the mind...have long been forgotten. These megalithic structures weighing up to 200 tons or more...carefully placed as though a 6 year old stacking building blocks...well we simply did not do that..or it was done by people who knew how to levitate with their minds. Really is it that crazy of an idea? The gentleman who built the coral castle in Florida knew the secret...but it's been forgotten. I wish you luck on your book let us know what it's called. You are right God is all. I didn't need to go to church to learn that. When I was a kid and looked at the planet's and stars in my telescope...then later looked through an electron microscope...I realized how interconnected and intelligently thought out it all is. Planet circleing stars...electrons and protons circleing a nucleus . A kiss .a smile..a bee pollinating a flower. It's grand and wonderful....it didn't just happen. It's God. And the best part is it's only step one onto a higher plane of consciousness.

Arizona: Multi-Generational Missing Time

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