Arizona: Multi-Generational Missing Time

1/10/2020

Arizona MUFON Field Investigators: Shane Hurd and Tara Diulus

Case 103775: One of the most bizarre missing time episodes comes from Arizona in 1995 . . . and thereafter. Here are the words of the primary witness, the mother of a 14-year old daughter:

“In Tucson, my daughter and I were sitting in the living room one night in the 1990s when she grabbed her chest and started screaming. I rushed her to the [emergency room] where they said her muscles had been dislodged from her chest which was like a football injury when a player gets their chest wall slammed, but I told them we were watching TV, and they said it was impossible to happen by watching TV. I talked to another mother there, and the exact thing happened to her 14-year old daughter while watching TV.

“[We] left [the hospital] at midnight, exactly, and are only three minutes from the hospital. I was driving on the overpass, I vaguely remember a blinding light engulfing my car and my daughter screaming, when suddenly my car was under the overpass facing the wrong direction, engine idling and the car clock flashing 1:30 AM. 1.5 hours of lost time. I found my bearings and drove back up the overpass, and there was a UFO about 7 feet above my hood. It was round, about 8 feet wide, made no noise, had red, blue and white lights spinning on the bottom of it. I was in awe driving slowly, and it followed me home. My daughter was terrified and screaming, ‘Go! Go! Go!’ We get to the house and my son and cousins are there and awake, and they see it hovering over the trees behind my house for over an hour. My car had electrical problems. My cousin said someone had been on the roof trying to get in, and she dreamed it was tall, blonde aliens.

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Rodger Allen

1/10/2020 01:08:55 pm

Flying saucer hovering for over an hour behind house and no videos or pictures??? That I don't belive.

Thomas McGinn

1/12/2020 12:45:51 pm

It was 1995, no digital cameras, heck most of the world never heard of the internet. Image the great pic the Polaroid would have taken.

Mmiller

1/12/2020 01:26:06 pm

Some of the most famous (McMinnville farmer Trents photo comes to mind) UAP photos ever taken are on old school film cameras. Much harder to fake those. No C.G.I.means models on strings or thrown hubcaps. I really question most modern photos done digitally ...the more perfect they are the more suspect I become. I know from my own experience ...sometimes digital cameras don't always catch a UAP image. I had a silent light (craft) pass over a field and slow almost to a stop over my house after I flashed S.O.S. with a flashlight at it....and 7 digital photos showed nothing. I think the power source of these craft disrupts the electronics of these cameras. So if they had a old school film camera..and a craft hovered for over an hour...they should of had the holy grail of ufos photos. They even had time to drive to the store to buy film and return.

Mmiller

1/12/2020 01:48:48 pm

Another thing is....as traumatic as this was for mother and daughter not to mention something on the roof trying to get in....wouldn't you call the police or sherrif department?. They had an hour to respond. No other witnesses???

Mmiller

1/12/2020 01:56:24 pm

Oh and I hate to date myself but yes we had digital cameras in 1995. Not powerful like today's but we had them. I bought my first camcorder in 1984.

ken lowe

1/14/2020 12:54:49 pm

im sure a highly intelligent alien species that has master intersteller flight wont have any problem getting in to a house..

Mmiller

1/15/2020 02:12:27 pm

Funny how in these abduction cases they appear to pass trough Windows and walls rendering the abducted person weightless. And yet they have to travel around in little saucers..flying examination rooms...which sometimes crash or break down. And as advanced as they are technically they keep repeating the same crude examinations ( long needle in navel..implants shoved into nose..skin scrapping...cattle mutilation..rectum exams) when all the need is a saliva sample or hair sample. That's how we do it now. Seems as though they are a little backwards on some technical aspects.

Tech Jeff

1/17/2020 03:55:04 pm

It is interesting, is it not, that pain and fear seem to be the hallmarks of nearly every alien abduction\visitation scenario. Needles plunged into flesh, terribly scary cattle mutilations, stealing of genetic data, all these make for a high "creepy factor" about abductions.

I heard one investigator say that it is not necessary, that most people would likely cooperate if a tall blond alien simply rang the doorbell, introduced themselves and asked if they could perform a few medical tests. Look at the crazy things our Doctors do to people! I think the investigator is right. I would be startled, of course, but the chance to learn of an alien culture would outweigh any and all fears. Surely there is a way to introduce oneself without all the dramatics...

Yet these reports invariably border on, and sometimes exceed, our most horrific ideals,

Why is that? What is it, if it is an it at all, that wants to cause pain, frighten people and leave them in mental and physical pain? Frankly, if these reports are real and not some sort of psychological phenomenon, then we have much to fear.

Either aliens are terribly mean and brutal, delighting in the torture of innocent, defenseless, pain feeling creatures or they are demonic, truly bringing hell to Earth. There are those that claim exactly that. And that would easily explain why these visitations seem so horrific... We are dealing with creatures that see us as food, that live off our pain and fear and terror.

This is the dark side of the alien phenomenon that no one wants to acknowledge. Yet research is replete with the intense fear and pain of most alien encounters.

If there really is something going on, and physical evidence suggest there is, we have much to fear from these episodes...

Jacob

3/2/2020 04:54:36 am

I don't believe they're here for samples. The seemingly continuous occupation indicates a bigger investment being made into our species modification perhaps?

Mmiller

1/17/2020 09:58:56 pm

I think your spot on there Jeff..I couldn't agree more. You would think a race technically advanced enough to travel faster than light or more likely interdimensionally would have genetics figured out far far ahead of us. A swab..a hair..has the whole DNA code right there. Why would you continue to need more and more samples of human and animal DNA. Now if claims of hybrids in glass tubes is true aboard motherships...then they might be slightly ahead of us in the genetic field....but their bedside manners are horrible. And why wipe the memorys of the event from the mind? We don't do that when we tag animals. It seems through the years they have mimicked our technology. I think they tweeked our DNA eons ago. Then we had the airship sightings before man had balloons. The 50s through the 70s there were a lot of rocket craft...with portholes and flames no less. Little landing craft like we were designing for the moon.Then came the saucers and cigars. Now it's triangles.( I have yet to see an abduction on a landed triangle). And most importantly NOT ALL alien encounters are demonic or evil although as you stated some are and do seem demonic. Physicists think there up to 10 or more dimensions maybe some are normal galaxy's such as ours...maybe some are heaven or hell. And some of these encounters are downright goofy..like a episode of lost in space. Aliens land and cook flapjacks..or repair their ship with crescent wrenches..or ask for water or cow manure. Some Spaceships with flames? Some with streampunk levers and gauges or ladders. Goofy looking beings with 1950s looking spacesuits on that hover weightless and have eagle emblems on the helmets. But I don't doubt what sane and sober witnesses report. Then we have the mother of all sightings....the "starship" class sightings. Craft so big they can't be from here due to their size. The Phoenix Lights..the walnut shaped craft that followed Japan airlines 747 cargo jet over Alaska..the stadium sized craft with Windows over British Columbia ..all of these witnessed by hundreds of people. These are simply not ours. From a different galaxy. Very advanced. So these flying examination rooms the grays seem to use must be scout ships from a mothership. And some abduction cases involve Nordics working with grays. Maybe this is to deceive abductees into believing they are benign. Maybe they work to geather to help us. Some cases...Betty and Barney Hill for instance..the grays were quite nice to them..although they were understandably freaked out. I really wonder what would happen if during one of these demonic abductions....grays ramming probes into a nasal cavity..or long needles jammed into the stomach...if you started quoting biblical verses. Wavering a bible and a crucifix quoteing biblical verses to the Dr. Grays? Now if they new who Jesus Christ was..And who our God is...would you get a exorcism like effect? Would they vaporize right then and there? Or would they stare and wonder what is wrong with this human holding a metal trinket and a strange book and speaking in tongues.? After all maybe their God is a sea snail in some distant ocean 100s of light years away. And why are these people even awake? Unless they feed on our fear or get energy from our souls wouldn't it be more convenient and efficient to use anesthesia and knock out the abductees. Pick them up..do your study's...drop them off ...And on your way. The same old study's.over and over. It makes you wonder. Ever wonder why the Mayans built all their temples flat on top like a landing pad? With steps on all four sides like a loading ramp? Maybe that's what happened to the Mayan civilization. All those sacrifices....blood...pulling beating hearts out of victims....what a great DNA supply! The more I research the more questions I have.

Mike K

1/17/2020 11:23:33 pm

Actually, there has been numerous times a witness speaks the name of Christ or asks them to leave in the name of Christ and they comply, Ive heard this happen in a lot of cases.

Mmiller

1/18/2020 02:16:19 am

That's interesting Mike.Interesting they would recognize the name Christ. I'm pretty sure they would know nothing of the bible anymore than we would know how they manipulate gravity or travel through dimensions. I don't disbelieve you I'm Just curious in what form our God would appear to them. :)

Tech Jeff

3/3/2020 04:41:54 pm

Sorry Mr. Miller, I am playing catch up here.

As in the previous post, why do what amounts essentially to torture when examining humans?

When we dart a lion, and all they remember is some idiot in a jeep shooting them with a BB gun... and then a slight hangover. And while the drugs are in effect, they are out of it. We use the same drug for a lion that's used in extreme trauma cases on the battlefield. They are utterly separated from their body.

So aliens can't do the same thing?

Why stick probes and needles in a conscious, screaming individual?

When one looks at ancient texts like the old testament, one finds the people of the land of milk and honey sacrificing their children to "Molech."

And who was Molech?

He was a god that demanded death for his blessings.

Killing happened in multiple ways...

A giant statue was built of Molech with his arms outstretched. He had a distended belly. A massive fire was built in the pit of his belly.

Once Molech was red hot, the "priest" laid the live child upon the arms of Molech and rolled their baby down into the flames to be burned as a "living sacrifice." (I think I would rather have my heart cut out.)

Another common sacrifice was to kill a child and bury them in a sealed jar so their spirit could protect your project.

For instance, if you wanted the building of a wall to go well and for it to be strong against your enemies, you had a "priest" ritually kill your baby and seal them in a jar. This jar was then buried at the cornerstone of your wall to apparently oversee and bless the project...

Archeologist always know they found the cornerstone of a wall or house or another important project if they find the desiccated remains of a child jar in the Middle East...

The third way they ritualistically killed their children to please these "gods" was to grab them by the heels and swing their head against a "holy rock."

It was done in the open, hundreds to thousands of children at a time. The screaming and crying at seeing other children's brains dashed against a rock caused such a wail, that an entire core of "priest" played drums and blew horns to try and hide the noise made by masses of terrified children screaming for their parents to save them...

This makes a Nazi death camp look mild in comparison...

And there is a LOT of archeological evidence to prove what I have just said.

Where did Molech come from? Where did all the other brutal "gods" of the Middle East and Mediterranean come from? (Or everywhere else practically.) Was it just human imaginations?

Or did they have help...

One does wonder.

Again, it seems there are forces interested in abject, deathly, fearful terror and pain and agony. And as far as I can tell, some of these visitations are pointless, except to cause this fear and agonizing terror.

And that brings another point.

Myself, if I saw a UFO land that I felt was neutral in its nature, I would be cautious, but certainly curious.

Yet many, many encounters are abjectly terrifying before anything even happens. They see a UFO far away and are filled with terror- even though it is still a ways off. People KNOW they are being hunted. Hunted by a predatory creature- not friendly space brothers...

It is as if a "field" of evil intent or an unseen marking is present around some of these ships...

Now granted, Betty and Barney Hill were scared. It's the 1950\60's. Commies are supposedly behind every bush, aliens are buzzing the White House, nuclear death was 30 minutes away or less. It was an age of fear.

But popular culture is now practically embracing the idea of aliens and many people would love to have an encounter.

Getting back to another point, these encounters seem to fall into three categories.

The first is physical.

There is real, detectable evidence in a physical case. Broken tree limbs, indentations in the snow and dirt etc. There might be residual radiation or deeply magnetized metals- signs of a fusion drive or a system that uses the Earth's own fields to fly. People with implants, bruises, marks and cuts fall into this category.

Then there are as you said, the really weird, dream like, impossible situations such as steam powered ships complete with talking basset hounds as their Captains.

And then there are the brutal situations... The cases where something or someone simply wanted to scare, harm and brutalize.

So we have three categories.

Reality based, physical evidence.

Psychological based, dream like, but no less real to the person experiencing them.

Spiritually based, where the person felt like they were either attacked by demons or they spoke with angels, etc.

In short,

Physical
Psychological
Spiritual

I would say that the case we have in this discussion is a multi case. We have real evidence, such as the car damage, the daughter's medical records, etc.

But we see abject terror, pain and agony seemingly inflicted at random for fun. I feel the eviden

Mmiller

3/4/2020 11:09:13 am

Thank you for takeing the time to respond. I have another response to the mysterious MIBs below. For every case that is evil...I can bring up cases that are not. Betty and Barney hill for one. Betty complained of pain during the overy probe and one of her captors waved his hand over her to stop the pain...and finally stopped the procedure. Other than being frightened...she was treated quite compassionate...even talking with the commander about the star map and where they were from. Yes they were terrorized..but not from evil. We had a friend rescued from a boat by the coast guard helicopter here on the coast at night. There were searching for him and hoisted him aboard by winch unharmed. He said it was the most terrorising thing that ever happened to him. The Pascagoula UFO that had Parker and Hicks examined by an "eye" onboard by a robot humanoid type crewman was not evil. Nor the 7 foot tall entitys in Voronesn Russia that landed in a park full of children and witnessed by dozens of people. Not evil. Just a few cases of hundreds of encounters that were frightening yet not evil. Our culture has made through movies that they are here to enslave us or eat our brains. As a result people are afraid. Military locks on to destroy UFO targets. Yes they are in our airspace....but exhibit capabilities not from here. They don't come here blasting away. And yet if you ask most people...they would grab there gun and blast away. The Hopkinsville encounter comes to mind...no harm to anyone...yet blast away. And don't forget the battle of L.A....1490 rounds fired at a mothership. No one likes being examined..and haveing an alien doctor exam in you would be frightening. Also there is some contention that a UFO witnesses under hypnosis may tend to reveal these as satanic or evil depending on their religious beliefs. No one else was there..so we have to go by what they say. But as you point out...there have been some evil encounters. One that stuck in my mind was a couple driveing at night...came upon a landed UFO blocking the road with another stopped car. The " entities " were shadow figures. The wife claimed "they wanted to steal our souls" I guess it boils down to there is evil and good in our realm. The ying and yang. I am saturated to death (stop Disney..no more movies) of star wars but it has some relative themes. Good/evil/the force. And these are true in real life. NOT ALL encounters are evil. The same is true here on the ocean. Lots of fish in the sea..some good..some not so good. I think the same is true in the universe. I truly belive the majority of these cases are simply explorers from everywhere. But like people there are good ones and bad ones. The good ones might very well be watching out for us. And evil can exsist in different dimensions. According to string theory up to 10 dimensions exsist. Maybe some of these craft are from an alien hell. What is hell? The bible written by man portray hell as fire and brimstone..a hot place of misery with a evil forktail devil running the show. Is it inconceivable to suggest a multi dimensional alien hell... merely a ethereal realm in which paranormal entities exsist on life energy from others. Maybe useing " craft " that can morph into whatever form they want. This would explain the ufos that split in two..or turn into a square. Rather like spectors in a haunted house....not really spacemen in the way we think of spacemen. Let's call them space ghosts....but on a interdimensional level. These might be in a category all there own. These could also be the lights and creatures often seen at places like skinwalker ranch. This is not an alien phenomenon but evil paranormal phenomenon. Evil interdimensional energy from hell. Awhile these may look like aliens and feel like aliens...they are something else. I like your word ...piggybacking. So in that sense I would make a separate category for them....paranormal space ghost aliens. And like the incubus and succubus they can appear in your room at night..float through walls..disappear...and cause harm. But I don't think they are like the hundreds of other real space travelers we get here. The space explorers who are just curious about different lifeforms.

Sarahliza

7/31/2020 11:00:08 am

New member here, reading through archives. I'm thinking the rectal probes likely have something to do with bacteria collection. Think about the discoveries that are taking place regarding the gut microbiome. Cattle mutilations may have something to do with that, as well. Eye probes... access to brain without leaving visible scars? Same with naval probes... possibly access to reproductive organs and/or gut microbes without scars. I'm curious if any long-term studies have been done on those that recall abductions. So curious about these things that I'm thinking about becoming a volunteer here in OR. :)

Mmiller

1/18/2020 09:43:35 am

Don't get me wrong Mike ...I am religious in my own way...I belive God made earth ...the galaxy's the whole shabang!!! It's too PERFECT to have happened randomly. And also too beautiful. But if what happened on earth according to the bible happened here....it couldn't have happened that way on an alien world somewhere else like it happened here. The great flood could not have happened on a waterless planet....baby Jesus could not have been born underwater on a aquatic planet . It will be interesting to see what alien beliefs are. Who is to say we are right ..they are wrong. I don't want to get into religious bantering...more people have been killed on this planet over religion than anything else. The alien/religion factor might be a huge reason the government doesn't want disclosure. That's possibly the reason the Vatican and Pope are changing their view on the possibility of life elsewhere. Slowly acclimate the population. That's only one of the many issues of disclosure. Hopefully we can all get along. :)

Svetlana

1/18/2020 10:14:52 am

About the name of Christ....I don't think it is the name but the prayer itself and the conditions of the brain waves during the prayer...

Mmiller

1/18/2020 11:07:58 am

Very interesting theory. I like it. Maybe it short circuits their mental telepathic hold on abductees. Or maybe the start see the light...And get confused as to what's going on. A person could write a book on this subject. :)

Tech Jeff

1/20/2020 12:41:52 pm

Thank you for the reply- there is a lot there to reply to!

It might be helpful to break abductions this down into three categories. Those three being visitations that are physical in nature, those that are spiritual in nature and those that are psychological or mental in nature.

By so doing we come by an old adage of logic. That being measure what can be measured, make measurable what is not. This then naturally leads to categories and so that’s what I am proposing here.
I am most familiar with those abductions that are more spiritual in nature. I came about this knowledge accidently while speaking to someone on the internet. As it turned out, he had been a victim of what he could only call spiritual abductions. As such, he was truly well informed and sincere. I have no doubt that he experienced what to him were abductions.

It is interesting to note that in his work helping others who have had these experiences, he finds several common factors to what I would call spiritual abductions.

First, there is always an interest in the occult elements present. Communication with spirits, channeling, Ouija boards, that sort of thing. And there is almost always a multigenerational interest in the occult. In other terms, mom and dad were into the occult as well. This is a common moniker in nearly all types of multi-generational, spiritually based abductions.

I suggest then that in order to be categorized as a spiritual abduction, there must be an interest in the occult on the part of the victim or the victim’s family. And the word victim is an appropriate term. These events are terrifying and if the person could stop them, they certainly would.

My friend’s spiritual abductions started as just a little child. His parents actually remember seeing him with the aliens and were unable to help him. They were both paralyzed. Both told exactly the same story, so it was unlikely that this was an imagination. My friend began to have more frequent visits from these aliens as he grew up. Their “experiments” were nothing less than abject torture and occurred quite frequently. He was once told that he had agreed to this before he was born and that he was serving a “higher purpose” by allowing these tortures to continue.

Eventually, he claims to have found Christ- and ever since then the abductions have stopped.
But he further knows many other people with similar experiences. He has dedicated his life to leading people out of the darkness of what I categorize as spiritual abductions. In so doing, he has met other people that tell nearly identical stories and others that have dedicated themselves to ending what I call spiritual abductions. It is fascinating to note there are entire networks of these people out there helping the victims of spiritual abductions.

In your reply, you mention using the name of Christ during a spiritual abduction. Among the people that my friends have helped, they lead the person to Christianity first, then advise them to command the abduction to end in the name of Christ. According to them, using the name of Christ often has no effect if the person has not accepted Christ as Lord. It apparently requires that they become a Christian first. As far as I know, this is the only effective way to stop what I term as a “spiritual abduction.” But my experience is limited to Christianity, as it is the predominant religion I am familiar with. It would be interesting to note, as one commentator did, that the state of prayer may have some value in fending off such spiritual abductions.
Forgive me if I sound somewhat clinically detached. I have the deepest of empathies for anyone suffering during these events. But my purpose as a MUFON Investigator is to glean as much factual information as possible. That is especially difficult in situations that don’t lend themselves to scientific investigations, but as far as possible I wish to stick to that path. If you know of anyone suffering in a spiritual abduction, please do refer them to me and I will introduce them to people that can help.
On a side note, I have some small experience related to these events.

After agreeing to help my friend by live streaming his event detailing on spiritual abductions in Roswell and making CDs available for purchase via the internet, strange events began to occur to me and my family almost immediately.

On evening, my daughter began to climb the stairs in our two story house. As she reached the first landing, the metal gate just outside the window began to be rattled violently. One should understand that such force was involved in rattling the fence, that this could not be just the wind. Had this merely been the powerful winds in our part of the country, it would have blown the house off its foundation. To make the fence rattle like that. I speak of a force that was violent, strong and willful. No blast of wind could have

Tech Jeff

1/20/2020 12:43:19 pm

No blast of wind could have escaped our notice and only affected the fence. And it could not have been any force of nature without affecting everything in the area.

We had two dogs in the house at the time that responded to the event in a strange manner.
The first dog is nearly deaf and I doubt she could have heard the gate rattling. Yet her head snapped to the stairwell landing, ears back and in a posture of aggression common when a dog sights an intruder. The second dog was in a basement kennel and barked in a warning method identical to the first dog.
I find it most interesting that this event “waited” until my daughter happened to be in a perfect place to be frightened. Her position was perfect for maximum fear, being right next to and slightly above where the fence attaches to the house. The next day I checked all around the fence looking for footprints. There were no prints there in the snow. If someone had been engaging in a practical joke, their prints would have been seen in the snow.

Leading up to the event itself were all sorts of what I term as “stupid mistakes.” I have had an interest in video production and streaming since the early 1990’s. I would not say I am a professional, but I am experienced enough to not make silly mistakes. All manner of strange things began to happen. Things like missing cables that I know I packed, my luggage was disturbed at the airport, equipment failed that was always reliable, the air condition broke at the venue site and we were setting up in a building that exceeded 110F during the day. The AC was not repaired until right before the event and there were many other odd things that occurred. It seemed as though someone did not want us to do this event on spiritual abductions. Right up until an hour beforehand there was some major doubt as to the ability to broadcast. I have never had so many errors in a field event before or since.

When I was younger, I installed video cameras on roller coasters. These are the type that take your picture during a drop and put it on a screen as you come off the coaster. You can then buy your picture, T-shirt, mug what have you. I traveled as far away as Australia- and had less trouble than I did at this event. In fact, the amount of trouble I had experienced at this one event exceeded an entire career as a coaster camera installer.

We did pull it off- but just barely.

This left me with a unique understanding of the air around what I call spiritual abductions… I feel that whatever these are, they are not physical in the nature that we understand as physical. I do not feel these are aliens either. Something is “piggybacking” off what may be real alien visitations. Something is attempting to insert their own narrative and use what may be real alien visitation –or at least the idea of alien visitations- for their own purposes.

If the Bible is to be believed, there are constant battles in dimensions we cannot understand and perceive. In my experience, I would say there is some evidence for this interpretation. Granted, my education and experience makes me biased towards a biblical interpretation, but we all have a bias no matter where we start from. However, I feel confident in asserting the three categories of abductions as valid.

Spiritual, Physical and Mental.

Physical would be something along the lines of residual evidence. For instance the markings on the top of the car, scars on the body, x-rays of implants, etc. Also verifiable absence from the scene would qualify as physical in nature.

Mental would qualify as craft that are powered by steam or driven by preposterous means or dreamlike events that don’t have any grounding in reality.

On a closing note, I would prefer to be involved in the physical investigation of evidence and the recording of evidence with instruments. However, I do seem to forever be involved in the spiritual, physical and mental aspects of abductions. I became a MUFON Field Investigator to investigate physical evidences of landings and sightings; however if the direction I am pulled is towards this, so be it.
Sorry for the REALLY long reply. But these subjects are not something that can be discussed in 30 second sound bites or Twitter feeds.

Tech Jeff

Mmiller

1/21/2020 03:44:41 pm

Spiritual physical and mental. This is a good category separation however I belive they sometimes overlap. Thanks for your detailed reply by the way. Physical. These are the ones no one disputs except nonbelievers. Craft lands ..gear indents..footprints..scorched brush..radiation..etc.etc. These are the cut and dry cases. Mental. The mental cases are the ones that are wacky. Plain as day saucer splits in two or morphs into a ball. Even a physical alien craft should not be able to do that. I had a beach ball sized orange orb floated over my roofline a month ago when I took out the garbage. Not a nuts and bolts craft. Nor drone or balloon or Chinese lantern. Wife and I saw one roll into two several years ago. One shot off followed by the other seconds later. Intelligent. I have two theorys of what these orbs are ...seen worldwide. One is a light being. So advanced it needs no craft to travel interdimensionally. Intelligent. Advanced. The other theory is a little more frightening. I.G.D.s (INTELLIGENCE GATHERING DEVICES) probes releases by craft..mainly triangles. They are seen everywhere following planes..cars..over powerplants and missle silos...even peering in Windows. Research the Betz sphere. I belive besides gathering information about humanity they may be involved in telepathically or electronically altering our consciousness and / or DNA. These may even be the crewmembers of these triangles...organic or robotic in nature. Why? Because humanity is capped. We need to become self aware and enlightened. We are one step away from being cavemen with nukes...And we can guess how that's going to end. And I'm convinced our space force is NOT warping around in triangles a mile or more wide. Also in this category are a lot of criptozooilgy creatures. Bigfoot. Native Americans knew of him. But he can disappear at will especially when shot. Also a huge flap involving ufos and Bigfoot. Read Stan Gordon's book Silent Invasion. Are Bigfoot creatures flying around like Chewbacca in ufos?Mothman.Reptilian Lizardmen. Even Loc Ness monster. All seem to point to some sort of cross phasing of dimensions. Which also..I belive..can include evil alien encounters. With 10 or more possible dimensions it's not inconceivable to speculate that some contain heaven or hell. Is it not possible there could be an alien hell. Could they not pass over into our realm.? Is it not inconceivable that a dimension could hold and manifest our "ID" our primordial darkness of the mind? Imagine the worst evil monster of your nightmares come to visit from dimension X. Is there evil in the universe? Most definitely. Could evil aliens be here to steal our souls. Yup. But the line is sometimes blurred between evil and "regular " Aliens. Same with Bigfoot. Known for hundreds of years around the world in one form or another...yeti..Bigfoot...skunk ape..yet no bones. We have evidence of everything that would point to an animal..yet it disappears at will. It sounds to me as if you had a poltergeist experience with your daughter. Young people seem to generate energy that acts that way. Gates rattling..cupboards opening and closing..etc.etc. It really will be interesting when a alien craft lands. Most likely they will belive in a creator..a supreme being. But I doubt it will be anything like ours. How could it be.? The bible was written by man. The alien "bible" will be quite different from ours. I doubt God will be a guy with a robe and beard sitting on a cloud to them. Really to me these evil alien encounters that end with the abductees proclaiming Jesus Christ as their savior make me think we are dealing with Satan. Maybe it does have something to do with mind wavelengths or maybe it goes back to the "ID" or our minds darkside. After all someone from the zeti-reticuli star system would have no idea who Jesus Christ is or what the bible says. Most of these evil encounters seem to involve the little grays. Yet not all are.if the little grays work for Satan then why are they seen with the friendly Nordics? Or in the Hills case a friendly encounter. I guess just like here on earth there are bad ones and good ones. It's all very strange. Perhaps whatever our minds can conjure up can exsist in dimensions far beyond the boundaries of our minds. And maybe other creatures visit those dimensions consciously or unconsciously resulting in a bizarre interdimensional crossover of reality. Perhaps. Very bizarre.

B.K. link

3/9/2020 03:02:59 pm

what about the family, I don't recall the name but I think it was Conn.or there abouts around 1960,when they're house filled with red light and they were taken somewhere and told they were watchers hunting for someone

Mmiller

1/21/2020 04:02:39 pm

AND if Satan is sometimes masquerading as little gray aliens I certainly hope our government is aware of it. If we really made a deal for technology exchange for abduction approval with the grays...then we really did make a deal with the devil. And because this is all so bizarre and overlapping I see why disclosure is never going to happen. Why it can't be disclosed no matter what the cost. The technology shared with us could be used to rule the world. The devils minions..The grays can feed on our souls and live off our fear forever. The devil got a deal.

Mmiller

1/21/2020 05:04:05 pm

And yet these abductees don't really seem to be any worse off afterwards..for the most part. Now I've never been abducted so I'm guessing its quite traumatic. However even these evil and creepy abductions don't leave these people soulless zombies posessed by evil and a servant to the devil. In fact some are enlightened. I really find it hard to think a race of beings a thousand years more advanced than us technology wise would be so capped spiritually that they would have to feed off of other races souls and life energy. Sounds like a episode of star trek.

Mmiller

1/22/2020 09:41:35 am

It's really quite bizarre that Satan would go to all the trouble of masquerading as a group of aliens complete with a advanced craft. Then go to the trouble of following a car..landing...escorting abductees into said craft...performing various exams...then back to the car eraseing the memory of the act from the mind...And on to the next abduction. Seems like a lot to go through...when really all they need to do is appear in your bedroom at night. Poof! Done.! The whole alien/spaceship thing seems a bit theatrical. Unless they are just evil little buggars from a different dimension or galaxy. And if we made a deal with them in the 50s THAT really is scarey.

Tech Jeff

2/6/2020 01:53:14 pm

You touch on some interesting ideas and I feel your theories are not so far off. True, they are only ideas, but one must start somewhere. Even Einstein and Newton started with ideas sprouted from "a story."

So why would Satan be so "foolish" as to perform essentially a play that the memory of which remains hidden... until the exact right time it seems.

Unless of course this is a seed.

One sees it all the time in marketing.

A seed or a tease is planted. We love nothing more than a mystery that can be solved. And all that we must do is wait for the next ad to unfold. We look for it, indeed fantasize about it and feel a deep reward when we finally "discover" it.

Yet we discovered nothing, save that which we were led to discover. This type of discovery then, is a manipulation- not a discovery at all. Any manipulation spots from a lie, from a smugly superior attitude of, "For your own good."

It is instead a seed, a negative thing designed to impede discovery of the truth. And someone that does not want to be discovered has no need of the trick, right? A benign or beneficial society of aliens could easily do these things and NEVER be discovered.

Instead we see these "oops" moments everywhere in ufology.

Because we were meant to see them I feel- and not to our own good.

I feel that all of these seeds may, when taken root and mature, lead to some sort of "revelation."

But a false one.

How many billions would fawn over "savior aliens" appearing and explaining that Ala, Buddha, Yahweh ad infinitum are really just various manifestation of the one true God? Hell there are already people saying that right now!!!

These aliens would explain that really, we got it all wrong and corrupted it all up. They served it up pure, but "evil" people bent on their own lifting, screwed it up. (Again, an already VERY common idea.)

And what would be the piecederesitance?

Why explaining that Christ was one of them, come to set us straight and open the intergalactic doorway to peace, brotherhood and God. All his miracles were sent down by the mothership, they were not true miracles at all. "Look," they will say. "We can resurrect from the dead too. We can cure disease, any type! See? It's just technology, not a miracle at all. We ARE Christ- and he was us."

That will be enough for most to simply accept them as saviors. All of our problems will be resolved, peace on Earth, freedom from want, etc or at least promised- if we would just believe.

Then comes the "true religion." A religion that places what is essentially a satanic messiah in place of all the rest. His rallying cry will be, "I can bring peace in our time."

But would a Christ like that use beings that torture to communicate his "values?"

Indeed, I see these seeds we are meant to "accidentally" discover to be at least worth VERY close examinations...

Perhaps these aliens are legit and they have VERY different value systems regarding their sentient "brothers."

But it all just feels a bit too contrived, too managed.

I see you notice that too.

I suppose our only true course of action is to proceed with extreme caution and warn others to do the same- until proven beyond a very reasonable doubt otherwise. Beware aliens bearing gifts -and Gods- should be the watchwords I think...

Mmiller

2/7/2020 09:52:09 pm

Beware indeed Tech Jeff. I have wrestled with these very ideas you spoke of ....so well I might add. I am reminded of the t.v. Mini- series " V " in which the motherships arrive in peace and harmony only to enslave mankind for food. Which is also another theory floating around the UFO community. I think a technically advanced race would not be here to enslave and eat us...but I could be wrong. However I think you hit the nail on the head when you suggested something is "piggybacking" along with real visitations from real aliens. Let's get real....there are hundreds of millions of planets that are inhabited...probably more...in the hundred of billions of galaxy's out there. A well known physicist once claimed.." there are more planets in the universe than all the grains of sand on all the beaches of the world" And that's just in this dimension....times 10 or more dimensions. So at some time or another it's certain a starship from another galaxy has been here. I belive in ancient aliens....so not only have they been here but tweeked our DNA creating the missing monkey link...evolveing to include speech..tool use..and a number of other things that gave us a head start over our primate cousins. He'll there was civilizations that flourished and then were abandoned leaveing only structures that we can't replicate today. So even today I belive we are being visited be benign space brothers. They probably abide by the " prime directive" as in star trek...to not interfere or give advanced technologies to a growing inferior planet. But like you suggested...something is mimicking our technology ( the airship flap...rocket ufos in the 50s..the goofy UFO encounters) and piggybacking or being imposter aliens. And they don't do it on a mass scale as say the Phoenix Lights incident.( real aliens..not imposters). It's one or two people at most. It's been said they need and feed off our fear. Maybe they are preprogrammed cybernetic entities that are not aware of pain. How much genetic material do they need? Why would Satan need genetic material? And why are they so interested in scattering mutilated cattle all around with the same cored out body parts. Why would Satan need cow body parts.? It's said it's a hybrid breeding program..Which seems pretty backwards for a technically advanced race. Maybe they are creating hybrid cyberdemons from Hell...but again seems like a lot of fanfare...Satan should be powerful enough to have a cyberdemon knock on your front door. But I agree with you SOMETHING is going on that's strange with the gray alien encounters. If we made any deals with another race I hope it's with the Nordics. I would love to chat with you about this over a couple beers...I'll buy! :)

Mmiller

2/8/2020 12:17:23 am

I guess it really boils down to this....we are a little blue marble orbiting an ordinary star at the edge of what we call the milky way galaxy. Trillions upon trillions of these galaxy's exsist. And just like a primitive island isolated in the vast ocean.....we are surrounded by strange AND wonderful creatures that we really don't know that much about. When we look out across the ocean it seems as though it's only water and waves....just as when we look up into the sky at night it seems as though it's only stars and empty space. In reality....both are teeming with life....in all shapes and sizes....some friendly and cute. Some will shred or poison you. Both are dangerous places.I'm sure there are a lot of good races that mean no harm out there. However just like people...I'm sure there are some bad ones along with the good ones.. Some of these creatures could conceivably be minions from a interdimensional multi-verse hell that's an alien and not a terrestrial hell. Hopefully the " space police " arrests them all. Maybe.....there is more to our new "space force " than meets the eye. :)

Mmiller

2/8/2020 10:06:19 am

In our previous conversation we touched on the paranormal. The M.I.B.phenomenon certainly boarders on paranormal! Did you ever see Dan Ackroids interview when he talks about a M.I.B. encounter he had. Now here's a guy that needs no fame or fortune...a highly respected MUFON member as well. These cases can't be ignored. They are real. They are goofy..creepy and ghost like. Without getting into great detail into these cases...again it appears they (the aliens) are mimicking our F.B.I. or g-men with black suits and big black sedans from the 50s and 60s. To intimidate UFO witnesses...in person or by mail or phone call. They seem out of touch..out of their time period..almost robotic and quite alien or even cadaver looking. This is the weirdest side of urology there is. And yet I don't doubt the many credible witnesses to these encounters. My take is they are aliens....but with a interdimensional paranormal twist. Just wondering your thoughts on this. Check out Dan's interview.

Miafix

1/26/2020 08:52:11 pm

I have lived in Tucson all my life and I've never heard this story ever and I'm all over that kind of stuff. Where did she live in what part of town.

Debbie Camacho

1/27/2020 02:19:26 pm

Has anyone just tried showing love? I am a strong believer in the notion of love being able to raise the vibration of all living things, which, in turn, can bring calm, peace and understanding. In spite of our fears, we could attempt to show love. Love works in all human languages as a neutral connection, non threatening, non resistant and generally opens doors. I share my DNA now on this planet for research. I'd be happy to share it with my universal family as well in exchange for an explanation of the desired goal. I, like all people, fear the unknown but in knowing the truth, fear dismisses itself. Most likely, they are making connections for a reason and since they haven't obliterated us, their intentions may not be bad at all.

Tech Jeff

3/4/2020 07:55:41 am

Hello Debbie,

While I do know of people that claim to have had wonderful experiences and knew they would not be harmed, the majority of abduction experiences are not fun... to say the least.

Forgive what I say next, but I want to warn you of responding in love too quickly to such events- or in seeking to experience them.

Do you remember the story of Daniel Pearlman? He was the journalist that was held captive by terrorist- and later beheaded on TV.

He went forward in trust and the hopes of getting the other sides story.

They cut his head off, very slowly, while he choked and gagged and sputtered and screamed- and laughed the whole time... They taped the whole thing for the enjoyment of everyone everywhere and put it out on the internet...

How do you then approach an alien that has not yet proved its intent? They are the ones in power here- not us. It is incumbent upon them to prove they won't harm us first. Pearlman went defenseless to people he felt were not his enemy. Surely they would be humane. Surely his trust would be rewarded.

Yet he ended badly.

And how does one reach out in love when they have their head in the jaws of a snarling lion?

Did the aliens in this story reach out in love? Did they place messages of good will in these people's lives? Or did they attack them in spiteful delight?

In this case, these creatures seem to enjoy and feed off the agony of others...

I use such a graphic statement to specifically frighten off those that would seek such adventures with what they feel is a misunderstood ET. Surely Elliot won ET's trust with his simple, loving actions....

But that was a movie. A planned, directed, scripted device meant to sell tickets...

Had they made a more accurate movie to most abductions, you would have something closer to what happened above in this situation where innocents are picked on.

How does one know that any visitor will respond with love- and not the desire to see you in agony before them?

Please Ms. Camacho, be careful who you respond to in trust especially. I know people who have had their lives destroyed by "friends from space."

I am not a dark person. I don't see evil under every rock, a demon behind every bush. But so many have been literally abducted, in the truest sense of the word. Abducted, as in kidnapped, restrained and then subjected to nothing short of painful, sadistic "experiments."

And there are deeply evil, mean, agonized experiences I could tell you of as well. People that are traumatized for life and scarred in even daily living.

In my opinion, they are in the seat of power.

They are then incumbent to act in a loving manner towards us. They are the ones that should reach out in a loving manner- as opposed to chasing us down, scratching the roof of our cars, causing intense injury for no reason except to cause pain and seeming to simply enjoy the agony of others.

I mean no offense, I am trying to be warn you and anyone else to be most careful about what they seek.

The old adage of being careful what you wish for is most wise and should be applied most carefully in dealing with aliens,

I would state that if you are being chased in your car or harmed while sitting on your couch, these are not acts you can respond to in love.

My words are harsh because I care about those that have no idea of what some of these creatures are. I would warn anyone to respond with caution in the extreme before walking into any UFO encounter.

And remember too Debbie, that there are three types of encounter groups.

Physical, where one actually sees and experiences an even and it leaves real evidence, as well as others may see it too.

Psychological, where one experiences something in the form of a dream, but no less real to the one experiencing it.

Spiritual, in the sense of demonic or angelic pressences.

These are loose categories, but for an investigator like me, they are certainly helpful in choosing the tools one uses.

Please forgive me if I have sounded critical Debbie, I do not mean to. I am reaching out because I care about people.

Do not respond to any aggressive experience with what can only be termed trust and love. When the hair comes up on the back of your neck, it is for a reason.

A loving encounter is an invitation, an offer- not a pursuit.

Mmiller

1/27/2020 04:18:04 pm

Right on Debbie. Good for you! Love is a crazy powerful emotion. However haveing never met one personally...The grays seem to be incapable of emotions. They posesse the hive mind mentality....reminiscent of worker bees working to get honey to the hive and protect the queen. It's been said they might even be cloned robotic creatures which probably would not have emotions. It's been said they are very interested in our emotions and our creativity. Apparently there are no artists on zeti-reticuli 1 or 2. But I don't know if love has ever been tryed.I wonder if love would work in a satanic possession?

Tech Jeff

2/6/2020 02:04:46 pm

Hi Debbie. There are accounts that start with love, certainly. Look up "The Friendship Cases" online.

However,

It is pretty difficult to respond in love to beings whose presence is so evil, even if they look benign, that one shudders. Some seem to delight in creating visceral fear- this is one of those times.

It is further impossible to respond with love to someone causing you an extreme agony...

I can't help but feel that if these types of aliens are so much farther ahead of us in love, they would not understand that having tools shoved into one's flesh "hurts."

I don't speak of all alien encounters this way, just ones like this.

Dani

2/3/2020 01:21:05 pm

This was my account. I lived on Stella and Mann area. The reason no one has heard of this is because my daughter didn't want to discuss and I didn't report it until 2019. It was approximately an hour that it hovered behind the alley. Time and space seemed a bit suspended. Some of us were calm, some confused, while some were scared, like my daughter and cousin, but calling police never occurred to me. I did not have any film or a camera at that time. Many other abductions have happened in my family for generations but it is only now that I'm comfortable discussing them and reporting them. This was just 1 occurence out of many. There were 5 of us that witnessed it behind the apt. I'm currently writing a book about our generational experiences so the world will finally know, they gave us alot of information and for future generations of my family.

Mmiller

2/5/2020 09:32:24 am

Please...you and your family need to start packing cameras around with you. And No one saw the craft hovering for an hour above the alley or called police or took photos? If time and space seemed suspended.....it sounds like all 5 of you experienced the " OZ " factor. Strange.

Dani

2/5/2020 10:07:01 am

That was in 1995. I had no camera but I definitely do now. Not sure that the oz factor would explain the physical injury to my daughter or the electronic issues with my car. Maybe many more people did see it hovering. I don't know if they did or if they called it in or not. I know a Dr from the hospital saw it and reported it to a weekly UFO conference.

Steven Peirce

2/23/2020 05:52:05 am

Just an incredible story.Can you share any of the information that you learned from them ?
It's so incredible that it's hard not to believe

Mmiller

2/5/2020 09:28:16 pm

Wow. Could you tell the name of your book...I would love to read it. Electrical issues are common as are magnetic anomalies with cars in abduction cases. The "OZ" factor seems to isolate just certain people although I guess it could affect machines as well...cars ..radar..cameras..etc.etc. I experienced it on the beach here in Oregon. Walking with my wife on the beach...when like a light switch..a unbelievable roar overhead. Looked up to see a giant triangle shoot down the beach in the blink of an eye. It actually scared the scrap out of us. I belive the roar was caused by air displacement...one second the craft was there...the next it was not. It created a vacuum in which the air filled in with a roar. Anyway there was no way that no one heard that even over the noise of the ocean. A young couple a few hundred yards ahead of us completely unaware of anything as were a few other beach goers. Kind of like we were the only ones that saw it. In your own bubble. Perhaps between the ticks of the second hand of a watch we witnessed something that bent time and space...shot down the beach...and within the next tick of the second hand of that watch returned everything back to normal. And it was gone.

Tech Jeff

2/6/2020 02:11:32 pm

While I have heard of such experiences, I have never had one. All of my physical sightings have been just that, physical sightings. Everyone that I made aware of them saw them too.

But you are by no means alone in your experiences my friend. Others report similar incidents- and get called insane. Funny how effective peer judgements can be.

Dani

2/6/2020 02:27:39 pm

My book doesn't have a title yet. It will cover my family's generational experiences. There are many and many different kinds. All living beings vibrate at a certain frequency. From low (dark) to high (light). These beings travel in different ways. Some are interdimential, some use light to travel, since they are nearly light. Some use crafts, some crafts are the entity themself. Some are time/space crafts that travel using gravity, magnetic fields, sound, adrenaline and consciousness. My book will include these things along with my knowledge of what they've shown me and told me. They have expanded my consciousness and psychic abilities since childhood. I know that all life is happening at once and you are choosing to be conscious of this moment. You can move freely in and out. God is all. All time, space, matter, antimatter. I know that religion follows the messengers while spiritually follows the message. The religion is not important. My family has been contacted by many different entities. Some have been called angels of the past. Some have been called demons. They are dark and vibrate at a low frequency. You should not fear them because your vibration is higher and they can't hurt you. There are some that can can destroy you with a thought, but they would not. You couldn't fight them and there's really no point. If you pay attn, anyone can see and hear them.

Mmiller

2/7/2020 05:27:04 pm

I just watched " witness to another world" and thought of your experience. A story of a Spanish cowboy who struggles to make sense of a close encounter when he was 9. He also had his consciousness and physic abilities enhanced. It's on Amazon prime. Really our brains only use 1/10 of the potential capabilities it could use. It has been said by many abductees that the visitors feel mankind is spiritually "capped" and needs to be enlightened. I firmly belive a race of humans or maybe non-humans created past civilizations and that they possessed mental powers that have long been forgotten. From the Mayan temples to the pyramids to Stonehenge the knowledge of the earth and its powers...and more importantly the power of the mind...have long been forgotten. These megalithic structures weighing up to 200 tons or more...carefully placed as though a 6 year old stacking building blocks...well we simply did not do that..or it was done by people who knew how to levitate with their minds. Really is it that crazy of an idea? The gentleman who built the coral castle in Florida knew the secret...but it's been forgotten. I wish you luck on your book let us know what it's called. You are right God is all. I didn't need to go to church to learn that. When I was a kid and looked at the planet's and stars in my telescope...then later looked through an electron microscope...I realized how interconnected and intelligently thought out it all is. Planet circleing stars...electrons and protons circleing a nucleus . A kiss .a smile..a bee pollinating a flower. It's grand and wonderful....it didn't just happen. It's God. And the best part is it's only step one onto a higher plane of consciousness.

Steven Peirce

2/23/2020 06:03:36 am

It sounds like you are already enlightened,and on the right path.
I am trying to open myself to all of this.
I hope this book gets written,without any I interference from MIB's...

Steven Peirce

2/23/2020 05:56:05 am

Looking forward to reading your book.Woud love to communicate directly with you sometime.I really think you may be an "ambassador " of sorts,to help us understand them...

Steven Peirce

2/23/2020 08:40:10 am

I'm new to this site,but not new to the UFO phenomenon.
I have been fascinated with it ever since I was a teenager, after the movie the Devil's Triangle with Vincent Price(mid 70's).
I have never seen one, and in some ways i'm envious of those who have. As a teenager my girlfriend's mom had a bizarre experience at her home in Salisbury Massachusetts In which she woke up in the middle of the night in her to story bedroom to find a UFO hovering out in the field And then moved closer where she could almost step out on to it. She ran downstairs and the strange thing was that her dog did not even bark because she knocked the blind out of the windows in panic. As she opened her front door she saw a smaller ball of light zipping back-and-forth in her driveway.
I was only one of the few people she told about this because everybody would think she was crazy and she said. What made this story so bizarre was that she was in the process of moving. During the next couple of weeks she noticed a man in a dark car and suit parked Down the street snapping photographs of her house. Strangely enough a few weeks later as she was moving into the new home she saw that same man taking pictures. She thought it had something to do with the realtor but when I told her about the "men in black"it made her a little bit paranoid,because she had never had any experience or even believed in UFO's up until that point.
The next really cool thing was Betty Hill was on a radio talk show One afternoon and she gave her phone number out for anyone entrusted in speaking To her. Of course by that point I was already obsessed and I called and was able to speak to her for about 20 minutes, and for me was like meeting a big star. There is a sign in New Hampshire posted in the area where Betty and Barney Hill had their ufo experience. I got chills up the back of my neck this morning when I looked at the picture because the date was September 19th and 20th of 1961 Exactly when I was born !!!
I know that is just a strange coincidence but I thought it was kind of cool. Anyway I love this site and will keep tabs on everybody's stories

Mmiller

2/24/2020 02:15:00 pm

Wow Steven how lucky you are to have talked to Betty Hill. I'm envious. I'm pretty convinced the " balls of lights" that accompanies a lot of sightings....and most triangle sightings are probes. Google the "Betz sphere". I belive they are robotic I.G.D.s (INTELLIGENCE GATHERING DEVICES). They could be robotic crewmembers. Possibly robotic / organic in composition. They are real. They are seen following commercial / military planes..hovering over neighborhoods...looking through Windows...over military installations..powerplants nuclear and non-nuclear...ships at sea..I have seen and photographed them. They are usually beached ball sized. They may be devices to observe....or maybe they are designed to genetically or telepathically change our brain or brainwaves to spiritually uncap mankind to become more aware. To grow up...to join the galactic neighborhood. The M.I.B. Phenomenon is one of ufologys weirdest sides. The more cases you study the more questions you have. Part robot/alien/ cadavers they seem human but are not. Sometimes almost paranormal. Why the aliens themselves would go to all the trouble to dress up like 50s G-men complete with 50s black sedan is beyond me. They threaten....but don't follow through. Unlike our government...who has silenced more than a few.....including the Kennedy clan and Marilyn Monroe about disclosure. Yeah the M.I.B.s fall into the weird category of U.A.P.s along with ufos piloted by Bigfoot...demonic UFO abduction...and goofy UFO encounters that are comical with gnome like crewmembers flying around with fairy wings.

Steven Peirce

2/25/2020 11:51:25 am

Well I am certainly more envious of those who have actually seen or had personal UFO experiences. I know they are scary in fact around that same time as a teenager when I was really into it . I hitchhiked from my apartment complex about 6 or 7 miles in the middle of the night under a full moon and it had just snowed. I was following the same route that A New Hampshire resident had hitchhiked and come across a UFO in the field. In up a state of panic he went into the local police station and told them about it and they came out to investigate and saw the same thing. It is all in a book called "Incident at Exeter."
I was also lucky enough to talk to a local author who have written several books on UFO's by the name of Raymond E Fowler. He even had a small planetarium in his back yard for amateur astronomy. He was an executive with GTE Sylvania corporation. He just lived a couple of towns over from me and I walked his number up in the phone book and decided what the heck and I called. I even relate the story to him about my girlfriend's mom but I don't know if he ever followed up with her. Again around that same time in the early to mid seventies while I was in junior high school though as a student that I went to school with who took pictures of a UFO outside his house when we had a Lash of UFO sightings and South East near Hampshire northeast Massachusetts area. The Air Force went to his house and took his camera and told him not to talk about it. Like I said I've been around it but never had any direct experience. Last but not least where I live now in Suffolk Virginia, I have had a chance to meet a fellow Suffolk resident who has been on UFO files and other talk shows relating to his past abduction and multiple UFO sightings. In fact I just talk to him about a month ago and we have not been able to get I schedule straight so I can sit down and talk with him again because although he doesn't like to talk about it I had a chance to meet him and he knows that he can trust me, As far as not thinking hes some kind of a nut case. His name is Terrell Copeland. The famous bill Burns UF our investigator actually told him that he may be some type of a hybrid, And of course that did not sit well with his fellow investigators. Take care and would love to talk sometime.

Mmiller

2/28/2020 02:14:18 pm

Steven the best way to see one in my opinion is to get outside and search. Most people see one or at least something weird while camping...maybe around a campfire at night. Most people are inside haveing dinner..visiting with family..going to bed when the sun goes down at night. People are just not outside at night that much.I worked from 4:00 p.m. To 3:00 a.m. for 40 years. The stuff I would see from 3:00 a.m. to sunrise would blow your mind. I would see U.A.P.s 10 out of 30 nights. From Orange glowing glideing beach ball sized orbs overhead to small red and blue small orbs bobbing and weaving through oak trees on my property. I started to keep a fully charged camera in my pick-up I saw so many. One night a silent very large bright light approached me from across a field. Looked like landing lights on a plane...that's what I thought it was. Then I realized it was silent. 100 feet up. Well I knew this was a craft....but not ours. So for shits and giggles I flashed a S.O.S. at it with my very powerful work flashlight. To my amazement it slowed to a silent crawl...almost hovered ...100 feet above my house. Lit up everything. Got my camera out of the truck and started snapping away. It slowly silently glided out of sight. I was a little freaked put and went inside for a beer.(I'm off work). Photos showed the house and driveway...but nothing else. I checked for missing time but had none. So if you can go out at those times to a very dark area..and you will find them. Photograph storm clouds also. More than once I have caught ufos in them. They hide in them to avoid radar....or maybe get energy from lightning...or both. Captured a huge cylinder craft in one once. Looked like a gigantic flashlight...one end lit up...floating in the clouds. And it must have been a mile or more long after analysis of the photos...not a aircraft for sure. Hope that helps..good luck . Keep looking up.

Ken

2/29/2020 11:16:34 am

This discussion is very interesting. I was wondering if anyone has read the book of Enoch. He writes about beings called Watchers. How would they fit into this narrative? Evidently Enoch thought that they started out as being good to us but some of them changed and became evil.

Mmiller

2/29/2020 09:39:47 pm

Wow Ken...the book of Enoch is a huge subject. One thing that alway fascinated me about the Watchers was the giants or nephillem. (spelling)
There are a lot of photos out there of giant skeletons ...really a lot in the Midwest. Ancient native american mounds are scattered across the countryside supposedly containing giant skeletons...some with two rows of teeth. I have read many reports of some of them being excavated by archeologists in the past. They seem quite real. Now in this day and age they are all off limits. In the 1920s supposedly several were found and dug up and a big fanfare in the papers about it. The Smithsonian institution apparently took them to study. They were never heard from or seen again. Recently the Smithsonian institution was accused of destroying giant skeletons. They denied it. The Smithsonian is a government organization.why would they do this??? Like Roswell deny..deny ..deny. Like I have said before our past history is much older and stranger than we were taught in school. When I was a kid I thought dinosaurs were amazing....giant lizards crashing around....monsters! Is it inconceivable to think ancient civilizations..human AND nonhuman lived on earth? That they built structures that we can't build today without modern technology..that stand as a silent testament of their presence? That they tweeked our DNA....the missing link..tweeked us so we have speech and use tools? Is it inconceivable they interbred with human females and produced giants ...the workers for these monolithic building sites? Was it the EBEs...or God himself? And how did Noah get all the animals of the world...includeing kangaroos from down under and polar bears from the Antarctic...and shove them altogether on one boat without a fight. And don't forget all the food for said animals. Or was the "ark" a craft that flew into space containing DNA from all of earths creatures? No...the government doesn't want to upset how things are perceived...no giants...no crashed saucer with body's...no ancient technology in monolithic city's. Just stare at the great and powerful OZ...never mind the man behind the curtain. The truth will be stranger than fiction. :)

Mmiller

3/5/2020 04:25:36 pm

And why did God created the dinosaurs? What were their purpose? Giant monsters that eat each other. Then He destroyed them. Why? Was there also a race of lizard men that evolved? Are these the reptilian race? Was there a great war to destroy the reptilians and their "pets"...The dinosaurs? Just food for thought.

Tech Jeff

3/2/2020 05:45:56 am

In answer to Steven Peirce, please be careful my friend what you wish for. I honestly feel that whatever these creatures are, Often they seem to be deeply evil, delighting in the pain and agony of their fellow creatures.

I would direct your attention to cattle mutilations, pain filled experiments and the outright agony and trauma people suffer repeatedly at these "visitations."

In this post here we have a family being victimized. An event spanning across generations where family members are terrorized, traumatized and otherwise plagued by these "friends from space?"

And I can tell you of many, many more that don't have happy endings.

I know there to be two sides to the universe. Academia does not want to admit it, but they know it to. There is such a thing as good and evil. And just how does one differentiate between the two when dealing with whatever power is behind the subject of aliens?

But if you are like me and want to delve into the hard evidence side, there is a group of individuals like myself that have created a device that detects the magnetic fields of the craft we call UFOs. Already I have correlated several "hits" with sightings in my part of the country.

Here is their website: https://www.nicap.org/madar.htm

They don't make money off their efforts, but are looking for people to man these devices. All you do is hook it into your internet and then it will send updates to your phone if it detects an anomaly.

Mmiller

3/2/2020 09:20:59 am

Hey there Tech Jeff. Check my post on M.I.B.s in this section of comments. I was wondering your take on this phenomenon. :)

Steven Peirce

3/3/2020 01:14:05 pm

Thank you for the information.I will check out that website,sounds pretty cool. By the way I found some interesting information that you and M Miller may find interesting. The Edgar Casey Institute is here in Virginia Beach, And I read some information I while back about a connection between the Philadelphia experiment and Edgar Casey all connected with Tesla. It is fascinating and apparent way around the same time of the Philadelphia experiment they were doing some tests in Virginia Beach with the electromagnetism.
The government(Navy) Was apparently interesting in what the connection was to Edra Casey's abilities and how it related to these magnetic areas around the world because Edgar Casey built his home on one of them. I believe Edgar Casey was a willing participant because I believe reading that either he Sold some of his land to the government. It's a fascinating read.
Before I go I would like to get your take on the Internet movie I just finished watching a few days ago "Above Majestic" I found it fascinating.

Mmiller

3/3/2020 04:52:30 pm

Steven ...Edgar Casey and Mr.Tesla were above normal genius. Really amazing scientists. How unfortunate all of Tesla's notes and scientific work were stolen (CIA) after his death. Somewhere his work is being carried out by some secret branch of the government. Tesla was interested in earths ley lines to transmit energy without wires. Seems ancient "man" or maybe not man knew of them as well. The pyramids of not only Egypt but Central America and others as well are built on ley lines....and aligned with celestial constellations. Stonehenge is another...and ALL have constant low level energy. It can be measured inside and in the space above the structures. Why..we don't know for sure. The Philadelphia experiment is fact ..I belive. Too many old sailors say it happened. Messing with invisibility had a time/space displacement side effect. Maybe like antimatter experiments or runaway nuclear chain reactions...it's stuff we shouldn't mess with. Leave it in Pandora's box. I also have a theory about "der glock"...the Nazi bell the Germans were experimenting with. The acorn shaped craft that fell in Kecksburg is about the same size and shape as the Nazi machine...complete with cryptic writing on it. I belive in desperation at the end of the war they activated it. It went forward in time....to the 60s. Above majestic IS pretty facinating.

Mmiller

3/2/2020 01:27:50 pm

According to Tom Delonge the M.I.B.s are part of the Air Force Office Of Special Investigations (AFOSI). These M.I.B. encounters have been happening since the 40s...the start of the UFO flap...includeing the Mothman encounters. What are we dealing with here Tech Jeff???

Tech Jeff

3/3/2020 06:21:31 am

Well in my opinion, we are dealing with two camps. The high strangeness camp, which seems to be interested in not just upsetting people with fear so they may enforce silence, but actually causing abject terror. And the government camp, which uses fear to prevent revealing top secret operations.

Again, you mention the copycat effect of many of the occurrences.

In the CIA, one of the ways to keep things secret is to spread a bunch of rumors and disinformation. In other words, half truths mixed with outright lies and spread among the people to utterly confuse the situation.

So let's assume there is a traditional good side and a traditional bad side here- a classic Aesop tale set in space. I feel, and fear, humanity is somewhere in the middle. Just like in Tolkien's Hobbit series- we are so easily seduced by power.

But to my point. The evil side would mimic agents of the government to scare people. They won't take the mask off, but they will muddy the waters.

Hence the high strangeness of MIB at times. One side seeks to muddy the waters, but enjoys fear and pain so much that even their agents can't help but spread it.

SO MIB is both neutral, (Air Force Intelligence) and evil, (high strangeness) at the same time. You may be dealing with government agents trying to protect national secrets. And as we have seen at crash sites, threatening to kill someone is very effective at keeping secrets.

Then you have these weird copycats seeking to cause fear and pain and angst- as if they feed off it.

So here is a weird analogy for you Mr. Miller. Get ready to smirk.

My daughter use to watch a cartoon called "My Little Pony." In it are a race called the "Changelings." They can mimic other creatures perfectly. They steal the love of others and feed off it by kidnapping the pony that is loved and taking their place.

Now why not aliens that feed and delight upon fear, pain, anger, etc? Yes, MLP is a cartoon. But how do we account for the flat out evil terror acts involved here in reality? These creatures are right up there with the beheading of the journalist Mr. Pearl. How do we account for this woman's pain and her daughters pain inflicted seemingly for no reason except they can?

That is not just sadistic I think. It is flat out evil, what many would call the act of a demonic force. I don't see demons under every bush, I am not some super spiritual priest who floats on air, but I do see literally 100s of cases where flat out evil takes place like this that have been investigated and confirmed with medical proof.

Some of our "visitors" are interested in pain, agony, fear, loathing and terror- just as the Changelings are interested in love.

Now I mention MLP with tongue in cheek to make a point, but I still feel the analogy holds. Something is mimicking our systems and people partly to spread rumor and confusion, but even more to cause fear, worry and other negative emotions.

That's why I am so focused on hard data and what can be proved with investigative techniques.

I feel anyone not willing to rule out the existence of good and evil will come to the same conclusions I have. There are two camps here- and humanity needs to chose most carefully.

Will we be food, like in the C.S. Lewis book "The Screwtape Letters?" (Very good and short story by the way!) Or will we be free of these creatures and their delight in our pain and demise?

The choice seems to be ours.

Dani

3/4/2020 12:14:40 pm

I've been reading the comments and they are all very interesting. Since it happened to me, along with many other encounters I would like to say something.
This is only a small excerpt of my experience. Overall the experience was not harmful or negative.
I see Jeff you've made reference to a reporter that got his head cut off. I would like to compare it more to a little baby I saw on the internet that was getting a cochlear device put in his ear so he could hear. At first it was a little painful and he was crying and fussing but then he could hear and he smiled and laughed with joy.
Yes, the experience was slightly painful and scary but only because we didn't understand it at that time.
Since then, since my many other experiences I get it.
They didn't do any real damage to us.
Since then we've both been able to see and understand so much more. I don't yet understand all of it but I know it was for our benefit.
We are children compared to them. We have zero chance of survival if they want to truly hurt us. There's no reason to be afraid of them. Yes, a few are dark entities from other dimensions that look to experiment, torture or wreak havoc, but the good don't let that happen when they are aware of it. And it is also up to ourselves, our own energy frequencies, what dark things we think about or focus on that can make us more susceptible to those. They do not have any power unless we give it to them. They feed on hate and fear.
The ones that abducted us that night and have since then, had certain jobs to do and went about it the safest way possible and by wiping our memory clean for that hour and a half (at that time) were doing so for our benefit.
Just because we don't understand all of it, it doesn't make it negative.
I view them as my ancestors, parents. Our parents love us but do things for us that we don't always understand.
I believe the creator made us all. We are not at the top of the evolutionary scale, far from it. We think we know it all, we know nothing. I've been letting them enlighten me.

Mmiller

3/5/2020 02:39:06 pm

Dani you are far more qualified than Jeff or myself on this subject. YOU were there. The overwhelming majority of abduction cases I've researched are like yours. I belive they are here..have been here for millions of years...tinkered and improved us with our DNA. They may possibly live under our oceans. If they wanted to enslave our souls and use us for food there are a thousand ways they could. Simply turning us into mindless slaves would give them a endless supply of human souls to feed on. However as Jeff suggests caution is the key word. There HAVE been cases where something evil piggybacks or mimics the grays. Is it inconceivable that they as well as us can be possessed by evil.? Perhaps they know nothing of evil where they are from until they reach earth. Perhaps when they transverse dimensions maybe some bad energy piggybacks along with them. Like bugs on a windshield. Maybe Satan is aware of them. The case I brought up with the craft landed in the road at night was unique. The cars occupants thought they were at a night time road construction site. There was another couple stopped..... and out of their car. The crewmen of this were shadow figures ...small like the grays. BUT ...very evil. Afterwards both couples said ..."they wanted to steal our souls". So something...Perhaps Satan himself....is mimicking the visitors. But the overwhelming majority of cases...I belive ...are many races that come here to observe and explore. And like people...some are good....some are not. I'm glad your visitors were good and enlightened you. I look forward to reading of your experience. Please let us know the title. I will be first in line. Peace be with you. :)

Mmiller

3/4/2020 01:25:12 pm

Hey Jeff..yes I did get a chuckle out of your analogy....but I think is spot on...I concur. Thanks for writing back. I am familiar with my little pony...are these cartoons written for adults or kids...future physicists.? My two boys...one of whom teaches physics...grew up on 50s and 60s sci fi space and monster movies. I wonder who they got that from.? But yes ...the non evil are the g-men from secret government departments that tell you to shut up or you will find your family buried in the desert. AND they would do it in the name of national security. The masses are not ready to know about good and evil interdimensional visitors who may or may not have tinkered with our past/DNA/evolution/giants/motherships/non human civilizations /multiple races visiting or even criptozooilgy interdimensional portals that allow creatures from elsewhere enter our world.. Most people struggle with who the first president was....let alone the concept of multi dimensions. But the other side of the M.I.B. encounters is crazy. They belong in the interdimensional paranormal space ghost encounters. They look like cadavers..smell of sulfur..are dressed out of sorts..but always the same look..same cars..except oddly enough..50s or 60s brand new black sedans..Cadillac or Ford here...but in the U.K 50s or 60s Jaguars. So they update cars as per country. They remind me of the secret service protecting ...who? The president..our supreme leader. They speak oddly about what you have seen. They disappear. They don't kill or touch you..but threaten. Like black eyed kids they instill fear. And I don't think they are human. I think they feed off of fear and distrust and confusion. Most people are nauseous after a visit by them. They are clumsy in words and manor. No tech gadgets..phone/camera are ever seen. They wear wigs and make-up. They look human...but not quite. I have seen people in person and on t.v. that didn't look quite right..not quite human. The sighting at the bottom of this blog is about a shiney triangle. There is a comment from Hen....who saw it. He was visited by a woman walking her dog. He was creeped out. She was dressed oddly..had a strange name..and asked what he thought he saw. He never saw her before or after. High strangeness. Could be coincidence or not. I was wondering if you saw any strange men at your live feed event you were haveing so much trouble with in Roswell. You had a poltergeist type event banging on your wall...and SOME sort of outside interference with your setup...like someone didn't want that info released. Think back..you might have passed by a non human. Piggybacking...mimicking..really the only way to describe these encounters. But why are they stuck in the 50s? How odd. And like we talked earlier about mimicking our technoloy...just one step ahead of us. The airship flap had no evil abductions...yet very advanced craft before we did. In our jet age...they had rockets with flames and portholes..like the movies I watched with the boys on Saturday. But we were just beginning to send dogs and chimps into space. And they could not have come here useing rocket technology. Now instead of saucers we have tic tac craft toying with our planes and triangles...and foo fighter type orbs..EVERYWHERE. All being chased by black choppers. And yet the M.I.B.s continue to dress like Nazi S.S in black fedoras and black suits and outdated sedans. Don't see them in Teslas or Toyotas. They haven't upgraded to disco leisure suits from the 80s...yet. Disco M.I.B.s..that would be cool.!! So yeah they fall in the paranormal interdimensional space ghosts category. Are they demonic? I don't feel they are. Like a ghost sighting in a home of a relative who passed away...its not earthly but not evil. But a shadow figure that lunges at your throat in the middle of the night and chokes you....is evil. I think they feed off fear...but really that's about as far as it goes. Like a kid who scares another hideing in a closet screaming ..boo. The sighting Dan Ackryod saw was interesting. Just vanished. But they shut down his broadcast. So think back very hard...you might have met or saw or passed by someone who was not quite human...maybe who smelled weird...that didn't want that show at Roswell to be known. Take care my friend. Keep looking up. :)

Mmiller

3/5/2020 10:55:28 am

The Travis Walton case is another example of Hollywood gone crazy. I was so mad after I watched that movie. The actual encounter was nothing like what was portrayed in the movie. Interestingly....there was a Nordic type entitie seen working with the grays. I wonder how many cases you bring up Jeff ..where a family is terrorized by evil aliens...are simply demonic possession. Another words possession with a earthly demon and not necessarily a space alien or space demon. Perhaps when the UFO encounter happened...a interdimensional portal was left open allowing evil to enter our realm and terrorize the family. Aliens...mostly the grays and movies from Hollywood only fuel the mentality to shoot to kill. War of the worlds..Alien ...independence day....all doom and gloom. I'm thinking a technically advanced race would be more like the day the earth stood still..or close encounters. Do you feel maybe just some of the grays may be evil.? If all the grays are evil why are they concerned about our nuclear weapons? There is overwhelming evidence of them shutting down nukes worldwide. If they live on our fear and pain...instead of shutting them down...why wouldn't they set a bunch off. That would cause untold pain and suffering. Why wouldn't they not setup concentration camps dealing with pain and suffering and use them as a cafeteria to feed themselves.? It's quite possible they don't experience pain or suffering. Perhaps they are robotic clones. Organic robots. A robot doesn't know pain..any more than the ranger who tags the deers ear...but the deer feels pain when he wakes up. And if true...the grays are dealing with hybred children and their mothers. This is not taken very seriously sometimes. However no one is maimed or killed in these encounters. I belive the cattle mutilation body parts are involved in these hybred cases. A kind of Frankenstein space monster if you will. The small grays seem to be more sinister than the taller grays or leaders. Maybe this is the way their alien culture is...we are dealing with a alien culture. I understand they are very interested in our emotions..love..art..expression. Maybe because they don't have that. Overall we shouldn't condemn...we should look in the mirror. Man is the most brutal creature I know of. The unspeakable horrors man commits on other men speaks for itself. And evil doing go far back historically. I just don't want people to think they are all out to get us. Don't shoot. The crewmen on board may be just as curious about you as you of them. In fact some of the stadium sized craft...some a mile or more wide...May have thousands of crewmen onboard. Let's not be like the movie..the day the earth stood still. :)

Steven Peirce

3/5/2020 12:06:11 pm

I were in a lot from reading yours and Tech Jeff's responses, And I am sure others as well but you gentlemen seem way ahead of the curve in I had not studied everything as in depth as you have but I am certainly a believer. Just a side note lol as I mentioned before I have all of these connections to UFO field but no direct sighting. When you mentioned the Travis Walton case I have a younger brother that lives in Overgaard, Arizona which is exactly where those sightings happened in the mountains. When I told him about the case, The town has obviously become somewhat famous because of it. My wife and I are making a trip out there next Spring.

Mmiller

3/5/2020 03:37:54 pm

I watched a show a while ago and don't recall the name of it ..sorry. But Travis went back to the abduction site...with a group of researchers. One interesting thing they found was accelerated growth on all the plants and trees in the immediate abduction site. Very odd. The movie..a fire in the sky...really made the aliens sinister. The opposite was true. The grays freaked him out...understandably...and a Nordic man apparently working with the grays...calmed him down. Then took him into a hanger full of saucers inside the mothership they were in. No body part being cannibalized...no evil aliens...The movie portrayed it as a slaughterhouse....which Travis said it was not. Enjoy your travels and be safe.. Keep looking up. Especially in that clear Arizona night sky. :)

Mmiller

3/5/2020 10:58:05 am

Klaatu Barada Nikto :)

Mmiller

3/6/2020 11:24:43 am

Tech Jeff....after some deep thinking on the subject you brought up on spiritual abductions I have come to the conclusion these are earthly...yet none the less frightening than space abductions . I don't feel you can lump them together. You yourself said when researching these cases there is multi-generational interest in the occult. Ouji boards..channeling..communication with spirits ...these activities all open portals. Especially ouji boards. Some portals should be left closed. I have heard more than once of people useing ouji boards ...unleashing demonic spirits poseing as dead relatives or children. Tricksters. So the family's that practice dabbling in the occult are bound to stir up bad mojo. Kind of like smokeing in a dynamite shack....you might have no problem once or twice...but then kaboom. But these are not aliens. They may mimic aliens but they are not from space. I feel the nonhuman M.I.B.s Fit in here as well. These are demons masquerading as aliens.or government agents..complete with "craft" that can morph into other shapes or even into airplanes.. balls of fire..or flying humanoids.These are no more alien than black eyed kids...who knock on your door demanding to be let in. They have goofy language like the M.I.B.s too. Asking to use your telegraph instead of your telephone. And disappearing. These are demonic paranormal encounters. And as such shouldn't be lumped togeather with craft and aliens from space. They are weird ..no doubt about it. I agree with you they are piggybacking..mimicking...to masquerade as aliens...like black eyed kids trick you into thinking they are poor lost children that need our help. Places of evil ...like skinwalker ranch...harbor unspeakable evil in the forms of demons...hell hounds....creatures from your worst nightmare. Are they from space?...no..just a evil dimension or what we know as hell. .Like you said.....use caution. :)

Mmiller

3/6/2020 01:52:55 pm

I have over the years studied the string theory. It's a very deep and complex theory. To make a long story short it deals with space..time..gravity effects on space/time and of course multiple dimensions. My only wish would be that I had the mind the likes of Einstein or Hawkings. My feeble mind stumbled through the chapters trying to grasp the ideas that those great minds laid out. I was forced to read some chapters two or three times just to get the gist of some theorys. It really wasn't that long ago the earth was thought to be the center of the universe. Then of course the earth was flat.( Some people refuse to let this one go). We have only been flying for a mere 120 years. Our space exploration is mere baby steps...both marked by tragic accidents. But we are learning. But now in the past 20 years we have a real game changer. Multi-verses. Multiple dimensions. Sounding like a drive in sci fi movie...up to 10 possibly hundreds or thousands of dimensions. I had a college professor explain to me one time...there are more habitable planets in our galaxy than all the grains of sand on all the beaches on earth. And there are trillions upon trillions upon trillions of galaxy's in the universe. And ....ready for this...more UNIVERSE'S than in a swimming pool full of soap bubbles....each bubble representing a single universe. And intermingled within all these universes are at least 10...but probably thousands of different dimensions. So endless it's hard to comprehend. Whew. Now you know why I had to read some chapters three times. Some could contain heaven..Some hell..Some could be empty..Some could be a doppelganger...a mirror opposite of our dimension or galaxy or even earth itself. Some could contain good and some evil. Some may just contain good thoughts and ideas...like a brain cell. God's brain perhaps? Some could contain evil thoughts and ideas. I have often thought...what if whatever we could think of..conceive of..could manifest itself and become real in one of these dimensions. The boogie man from your nightmares. Or a beautiful light being full of love...floating through space covering vast distances in the blink of a eye. Or something so grotesque and evil it's inconceivable. Like when you read of atrocities committed by someone or more than someone and say how could they do that..what's wrong with them.? The movie " forbidden planet" based on Shakespeare's " the tempest" touched on this. The monster that killed everyone was Dr. Morbius...his mind ...the ID. The dark thoughts of man's mind came to life. It's really mind boggling. Is it really inconceivable....after reading this...to think creatures from elsewhere could find a way accidentally or intentionally into our realm.? Bigfoot..mothman..Thunderbirds..reptilians...Loc Ness ..Bermuda triangle..just to name a few. To travel interdimensionally would take seconds...not light years. It's a vast cosmos out there. Stranger than anything we know. We are but children...so much to learn. I learn more every day. And the more questions I have. I certainly don't have all the answers. Keep looking up. God is amazing and created a complex and beautiful environment for us to learn and explore. :)

Tech Jeff

3/6/2020 03:41:40 pm

Hello Mr. Miller,

I would not lump all alien visitations into one either. Some have been wonderful events.

But what I am fearful of is that others may rush to embrace either flat out evil aliens, or become involved in spiritually evil events they are not ready for.

With movies like ET, etc, the one extreme is represented. That being sweetness and light. With movies like Travis's story, a butcher shop filled with horror is presented.

My fear is that some very innocent people might simply assume that everyone is a "sky brother."

But as we have discussed, there are some highly deceptive forces trying to piggyback upon UFOs, aliens, etc. And we have seen some outright painful encounters.

I want the curious to be very, VERY careful.

You could be opening your entire family up to something truly evil.

Be VERY careful what you wish for until we have a better source of truth and proven track records here.

If there are good aliens, it is inevitable that they will make themselves known and prove their intent.

If there are dark forces involved, they shall always seek to hide their true nature.

My message to the laymen is, "Enter with caution." If you are not prepared to protect yourself, then don't open a can of worms you can't close.

Don't assume that anyone who pokes about the universe in a flying saucer MUST be kind.

Mmiller

3/11/2020 04:23:36 pm

Good words to live by Jeff...never assume. Another unsettling phenomenon occurring frequently in certain regions in South America is the Chupacabra. First thought to be stray dogs attacking goats and sheep....it's now thought to be extraterrestrial in nature. Whole villages being attacked by flying creatures ....supposedly after the blood of animals including humans. Along with military involvement...one wonders if this was a earthly science experiment gone wrong...or crewmembers of a crashed craft...maybe pets of said craft. At any rate it's very real and should be taken seriously. Lots of things exsist in the deep dense jungles and forests of the world.

Techjeff

3/18/2020 03:32:27 pm

Hello Mr. Miller,

I can't really speak to the validity of Chupacabra, but I can say this. Just about everybody who lives in or around the jungle, is scared stiff into believing in Chupacabra.

That's not evidence of course, but in order for something to make that kind of impression, something must be going on.

Honesty, I wish I had the money to travel and investigate with the same techniques that the police use and some of the tools I have, but that's just not possible financially...

It seems the only way to get funded is to chase really spooky stuff, use less than logical methods and deal more in entertainment than in facts. This seriously clouds research and makes it nearly impossible to derive any truth- just more "spooky stuff."

Perhaps someday, but not today...

Mmiller

3/19/2020 01:42:02 pm

The exact same thing happened to criptozooilgy concerning Bigfoot. Obviously something is happening all over the world with this creature...but unless your funded by some big money...it's really expensive to do private research. And the clown shows on t.v. don't help the subject matter much. I just finished up a book on skinwalker ranch. That place is definitely a portal....to exactly where is being studied. It's owned by a private billionaire and being scientifically studied. It was known by the local native Americans that lived nearby....it's a real deal. Fascinating stuff. This coronavirus panic is just putting disclosure further and further into the closet in my opinion......How sad.

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