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Four triangle objects spotted low over rural Pennsylvania

11/27/2018

54 Comments

 
PictureWitness illustration. Credit: MUFON
by Roger Marsh

A Pennsylvania witness at Wrightsville reported watching four black, triangle-shaped objects moving overhead under 500 feet, according to testimony in Case 89450 from the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) witness reporting database.

The event occurred as the witness arrived home along the Susquehanna River in York County just after 7 p.m. on January 9, 2018.
“We heard and witnessed a helicopter with a searchlight, hovering over and scanning the countryside and water,” the witness stated. “As we watched it, we became aware of four other aircraft flying at a higher altitude than the helicopter.”

The chopper continued moving away heading north.

“The craft flew in a pattern directly over our home. They were triangular in shape. Possessed pulsating lights. Their surface was black, but reflective. They flew northwest. Entire encounter took four minutes.”

Pennsylvania MUFON State Section Director John Weaver closed this case as an Unknown Aerial Vehicle.

“Helicopter presence is not uncommon (checking for river ice buildup) in this area (confirmed by others who live nearby – a river rescue station is also close to this popular boating area known as ‘Long Level’) and evidently had no association with the four unidentified craft,” Weaver stated in his report. “Helicopter continued north following Susquehanna River.

“Further description of four triangular craft:  Dark surface, but reflective. Pulsating red/white lights noted at corners of the triangles – these lights reflected on bottom of craft. Originally observed in east, craft tracked northwest directly overhead of witnesses’ home, passing over wooded hill above and toward town of Hellam. Craft were arranged in a ‘diamond’ formation throughout the event. Apparent speed was slow but steady; no sound was made by the craft; no audible reactions (barking) heard from dogs in the neighborhood.

“Witness and girlfriend had just returned from dinner and she also saw the craft from the driveway. Considered filming it with phone but could not get it to focus properly. Witness is familiar with local sky, (fairly dark here) as he and his son often look at stars, etc. on clear nights and while admits an interest in UFOs has never previously seen anything like this. (He is familiar with aircraft lights, ISS, satellites and natural celestial objects). Personally, I am very familiar with the location of the event; broadest part of the Susquehanna River, with a couple of large marinas – very popular in summer.  Many homes – both permanent and vacation – along the river here.  Opposite bank (east) of the river, directly across from witnesses’ home are three large wind turbines which display typical red warning lights.

“No correlating reports noted in CMS or NUFORC; additionally, I spoke to a respected colleague in the paranormal/UFO field who lives on the east side of the river here (Columbia).  He made some enquiries and found no one else who had seen the objects. Other than additional details, witnesses’ description of events mirrored his written report.  Witness is a sincere, intelligent and well-grounded person; combined with his familiarity of the night sky, a most credible observer.”

Wrightsville is a borough in York County, Pennsylvania, population 2,320.
54 Comments
Mmiller
11/27/2018 09:00:15 am

4 triangles now that's impressive. Seems like the power source for these craft distort or cancel cell phones and digital cameras as it did during the Belgian wave years ago. Great sighting thanks for sharpening. Maybe it was "military flares".....or the space force is here!

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pete peterson
11/29/2018 10:38:05 am

Very interesting ! Nowadays it's hard to tell if it's "our'' stuff or the real thing...I heard one guy recently say that they do practice runs Wed nites. Jan 9 was a Tue ? : )

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Leland Earl Whitehouse link
11/29/2018 06:46:54 pm

If they were manned craft they were most likely B-2 Bombers. However that is unlikely as to have four B-2s flying together.

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MARK FOX
12/6/2018 08:39:50 pm

B2 bombers? At 500+/- feet with no sound and flying very slowly? You must be joking. I do have the same opinion as Pete though, unless you can get close enough to see if they have seems or rivets I guessn you can't tell.

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Jake
12/7/2018 04:55:27 am

Tip:

Human made: Lights on the bottom.
Alien made: No lights on the bottom.

That is the difference. Why would you want lights on the bottom if you're an alien on another world? Hmm..

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Woody
12/16/2018 02:58:15 pm

UFO's have lights, I have seen them. Some different from others. Some may have the lights off. Just thought you might want to know for sure.

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Mmiller
12/7/2018 09:26:09 am

What I'm always mystified by all the triangle sightings is if in fact they truly are ours, why would the government fly slowly over populated areas with giant strobeing lights in the first place. This is obviously anti-gravity technology....which would revolutionize mankind in sooo many ways, and yet fly it around Willy nilly sometimes in broad daylight. Some reports even mention searchlights searching the ground for????. Seems like they would be a little more secretive instead of......hey look at this. And what about the reports of craft that are 2 or 3 football fields wide or in the case of the Phoenix Lights...a mile wide...where do they hanger and service craft this large in the age of super spy satellites. And if you think about it a craft a mile wide is not really useful for a military application. It's a giant target. That lesson was learned in WW2 with giant battleships. Maybe they are giant "aircraft carriers". And if that's the case our government has been busy reverse engineering downed ufos! Wish they would share that technology so we could quit polluting mother earth. And if they are NOT ours.....Cosmic Carnival Cruise lines sightseeing the funny little ants running back and forth on the third rock from the Sun.

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QuintinDC
12/10/2018 12:03:58 am

Yeah they definitely got some man made spacecrafts revese engineered in the sky its painfully obvious, and in my opinion they been doing it for so long now that they've gotten to the point where they really dont try to do it in super secret fashion anymore. Because they dont care if you see it really, the lie is so big and strong that majority of people probably wont even believe their own eyes if they saw something in the sky UFOish. And about 60-70% of sightings go unreported anyway in fear of being ridiculed. You dont have to go through great lengths to try hide something if you already got a vast majority of the public convinced that it doesn't exist in the first place . . .

The way i see it is people in charge of running the world will never give us full disclosure its 100% impossible to break that to the public. Yes truth is we very badly need the technological advances (very very badly) that full disclosure would bring. In fact if we had those tech advances that their hiding from us it would propel the world forward at least 400 or 500 years instantly !! But with that comes a brand new set of problems. . . and thats the questions. People will question everything. . . they'll question whether anything they've ever been told or taught is true, religion first of course, is there a God and so forth, lots of people will stop working and paying bills. . . eventually our dependence on conventional oil, gas and electricity will cease to exist, which means any company related to those fields will all of a sudden be unprofitable. . . then comes the stock market colapse the likes of which we might not ever recover from. . . and man oh man all the explaining the government will have to give on where the alien life came from how they got here, the abductions !!
A mountain of endless questions that will never end, and each answer will just lead to another question. . . Everything would change literally all at once instantly I just dont see it being posible them giving us their tech. You cant lie to an entire human race for this long then expect complete and total acceptance when you come clean. Plus the government would rather see the world burn than admit that they dont have control. Cause the truth is they cant protect us from them. . . period. If aliens wanted earth all to themselves they could take the whole planet in 60 mintues flat ! Lol. Noooo question.

But to put a bow on it even if aliens pulled up and parked on the White House lawn, the powers that be already have contingencies in place that would explain it away. . . will everybody believe the explanation ?? No. . . But i personally guarantee that explanation would convince enough people or better yet convince the right people, those people being skeptics. The governments #1 job is to lie to us, make us feel nice & warm and safe yet at th same time keeping us afraid so we'll feel like we need them and that that they got everything under control. As long as the sun keeps coming up, they'll keep the lie alive. If full disclosure ever does come, none of us wont see it, it'll be looooooong after us.

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Bob
5/25/2019 11:56:57 am

I just saw one of these ,twice in one week , flying south over stewartstown.
No type of colored blinking lights ...just 3 white lights - triangle shape..
No sound , slow ..
Only told gf about it..
Any more from a round here ??

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Wayne Mattox link
12/10/2018 04:36:53 pm

High activity area. I drove the Scranton to Harrisburg and York route for years. Three mile Island may play a part. UFO sightings seem to be more prevalent in Nuclear Power Plant vicinities. I saw those strange lightning?? beams several times coming out of York. Amazing how high they seem to stretch, like they really are reaching for the heavens.

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Mmiller
12/10/2018 04:43:34 pm

QuintinDC ..hear hear well said I couldn't agree more. Boy I would love to buy you a beer and discuss this in depth. It's funny how when people think of aliens...the Grays pop up. That wouldn't have happened 40 years ago.....like we are slowly being acclimated or maybe brainwashed is a better word ..to accept them as a pop culture everyday lifeforms. It will make disclosure easier to accept. I agree with you it won't be till the next 10 generations until they release the technology. Maybe that's a good thing...can you imagine the headaches involved with everyone zooming around with anti-gravity backpacks at 5:00 rush hour? All party's involved with the cover-up will be long dead and gone and a whole new brainwashed
generation of humans will wake up some morning to the new scientific breakthrough....anti-gravity and interdimensional travel. Been working on it for years. I think these interdimencional beings have been here for millions of years..under our oceans...in our sky's....helping us along. Maybe we could all go out and have a cold one.

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Michael
12/11/2018 03:54:31 pm

Hello everyone! First off, God bless you all! Now! God?! You all want to know the truth?! I don't lie, so please trust me on this.. First, there's at least 2-5 of these triangle shaped crafts flying around my area every single night! There's also a huge triangle shaped lights sitting right over my house! Everyone... We are living literally in the, "End Times"! And if any of you know about the "Rapture of the church", you know millions of people WILL vanish in a, "twinkling of an eye"! Now.. Knowing our governments, just using our common sense, what do you think they will blame it on, the disappearance of millions of people around the world?! Since the,"so-called elites", are mostly evil, sad to say, and control the world!!... You don't think they will be honest for once and tell the world, "God is about to judge the world"! and the true body of Jesus Christ was taken out of the way, before the 7 years of tribulation starts, that's about to come upon the world!? Do you? Of course not! They are going to say, "millions of people were just abducted by an alien race"! Makes sense yes? Why do you think there's so many UFOs being sighted everywhere!? Also, all the ghost lights, they are calling them, that are being seen all over the world!? For non believers, this is crazy talk, BUT! no offense for the true believers in Christ Jesus, like myself and thousands of other brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, this is "Biblical and prophecy" coming to life right in front of our eyes!
PLEASE, don't dismiss this! Check it out for yourselves.. 1. The rapture of the church.. 2. The 7 year tribulation . 3. The fallen angels . 4. The Nephilim.. 5. Go to, "The Watchman" channel on YouTube..
But most of all . Repent! Seek Salvation! Ask for forgiveness! CALL ON THE NAME ABOVE EVERY OTHER NAME, JESUS our CHRIST! THE LORD OUR GOD! Please trust me on this.. Take a leap of faith and just check these things out.. God bless you all!

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paul
12/12/2018 07:07:47 am

pleeze

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Nicole
12/12/2018 07:44:48 pm

Lmao

Dawn
4/26/2019 06:35:04 pm

I came to this conclusion myself!! It's also predicted by Nostradamus and another famous one. Just like the Bible says! Thank you for explaining what I can NOT seem to put into words how to explain it to my kids. They think I am crazy of course!!

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Mmiller
12/12/2018 09:28:55 am

God created the whole shabang. Atoms to endless expanding universes, and theoretically multi-universe's. Innerspace to interdimensional space. PERIOD. Which means all creatures big and small, here on earth and out on alpha centari were created by Him. Why would God "judge the world" just because another one of his creations visited another world? And unless they plan to eat us (that's really 1950s sci-fi nonsense) why would they want to abduct MILLIONS of people? I'm sure a technically advanced civilization has no need for humans as slaves,food,or even genetic material. Perhaps you should take up photography and get photos of the triangles over your house and share them with us.....before they beam you up!

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Wesley
12/12/2018 05:54:19 pm

I belive any UFO story i hear. This one is the strangest. I have heard over 1000 storys, and this kinda one has never came up. Helicopters and following UFO's are odd, but true. If they were doing a water rescue, maybe the UFO's were investagating and watching. This is a good, TRUE story(most likely`

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Billy Hallmon
12/14/2018 06:41:16 am

Readers would be better informed if they just read the article and then skipped all the comments. Mine being the exception, of course.

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Jerry Cornelius
12/14/2018 08:03:47 pm

I wish it was a photograph instead of an illustration, but they look like TR-3B's which are terrestrial made.

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Billy Hallmon
12/14/2018 08:37:27 pm

Do you have proof of TR-3B's? Since they are "terrestrial made," where can I go to see one?

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Mmiller
12/15/2018 10:53:00 am

Billy......dude it's like over Michaels house...pass the bong man.%)

Jerry Cornelius
12/18/2018 02:40:44 pm

https://archive.org/details/youtube-FN6Pb8u4sW0#

Jerry Cornelius
12/18/2018 03:21:55 pm

Personally, I'm convinced all modern UFO's are manmade. The German's were working on some amazing aircraft prior to and during WWII and then post war after the allies won, many of the same German scientists that were working for Hitler worked for our government (Operation Paperclip). I believe we have just continued to develop the technology that was started by the Germans and have made and continue to make some very amazing aircraft. I feel that the believers in aliens don't give the human race enough credit for being clever enough to create amazing technology on their own.

https://archive.org/details/AllAboutTheDiskAircraftOfTheThirdReichNaziAntigravityAerospaceCraftWeaponsDevelopmentPrograms

https://archive.org/details/FlugscheibenberNeuschwabenlandreichsdeutsche

Woody
12/16/2018 03:12:03 pm

Funny people,, They want to believe UFOs but not GOD,, Like there can only be one and not the other. Wake up people. The Bible talks of dinosaurs and UFOs.......... THE BIBLE IS TRUTH..

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Mmiller
12/17/2018 08:28:32 am

Dinosaurs and ufos......must have skipped that chapter. God didn't create the vast beautiful universe just for us...he created aliens too. He didn't create the ocean and just put tuna in it...he filled it with fantastic creatures...some not even discovered yet ..some cute and cuddly..some large and terrifying. But yeah missed the dinosaurs and UFO part. Musta been in the lower secret compartment of the Ark.....that crafty Noah!

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The Ghost of Former President George Washington
12/17/2018 09:39:13 am

Hey guys, First President of the United States George Washington writing here.

It is true Michael is correct about everything he wrote, everything. But the plot thickens.

First, he's right, these are the end times, totally right, take it easy on Michael as he is the most credible individual on this message board? Did you see the fact he presented about himself above? The guy said HE DOESN'T LIE. So everything he said, is irrefutably true, the man is incapable of lying; akin to great men before him that could not lie which would include: Jesus Christ, as he mentioned, Jim Carrey from the film "Liar Liar," and I myself, the Ghost of George Washington, who also never lied. Since the beginning of America we decided at the Continental Congress that alien crafts are the rouse by which world leaders and ex presidents like myself would control a veiled shadowy puppet government; then, eventually in 2018 we set a date for around Christmas I guess? I mean we didn't really celebrate a Christmas "per se" as we know it today, I remember I once surprised the Hessians on Christmas at Trenton after I crossed the Delaware River and because it wasn't the big holiday break we all get to take these days my men were not disappointed even though they had to work cause they didn't know they were supposed to get presents and junk. I digress, so we decided in 2018 we would start sending these crafts around Christmas 2018 to the mid- Atlantic where we generally thought the rapture would occur. I, George Washington and the rest of this countries' founding fathers were determined to hide the nature of Christian prophecy from those idiots who engage in a different monotheist religion like the Jews or Muslims or atheists or pretty much anyone who doesn't watch Christian Youtube. We knew about YouTube that Summer in 1776.' Even though History says we were Deists and that we didn't have computers yet;

Shamylan Twist? That's right, you guessed it, that guy Michael from the post above; yeah, remember him? Guess what, he got chosen by Christ Jesus which is my favorite way that Micheal said it because it sounds like Jesus is getting announced to walk across stage at his High School Graduation. I imagine God showing up in sunglasses in the back of auditorium to see him and give him a big thumbs up and Joseph sits sullenly with his arms crossed since he raised him all these years and now God just shows up for the big events like always. Either way, Jesus commissioned Michael "The Man Who Doesn't Lie" to be sent back in time to give us computers in Philadelphia that summer of 1776, how do you think we completed a whole Constitution and Declaration of INdependence without Microsoft Word? C'mon! Micheal also gave us the pictures of the UFOs above his home so we already knew how we were going to trick non Christians into believing aliens were for the reason behind the future 2018 Xmas judgment of God." All of this was possible because of Christian Youtube, me, George Washington, The Bible, and because of Micheal, "The Man Who Doesn't Lie."

IN summation:

1. We knew the future Rapture would occur and that we could blame alien abduction because the world is mostly "controlled by evil people; True, as always Micheal, so true.

FACT.

2. Micheal, the Man Who Doesn't Lie presented the Framers of the Constitution with pictures of the Triangle UFOS above his house and a laptop giving us the time to slowly engineer these into reality as to trick non Christians into unbelieving a future disappearance of millions of people.

3. FACT, we knew all of this because time machines are real and also showed us YouTube and how non-believers would give credit to aliens for a mass abduction and not God, who deserves credit! Cause like athletes say after winning stuff, and like we said after we beat England in the War in 1778, "Gotta give it up to the one and only Lord almighty, baby!"

It's One Nation Under God, Not One Nation Under Triangle UFOs!

Thanks Micheal,

For helping me procrastinate on doing any real work today, your post is endlessly fun to dissect and 100% percent true fact and I will not stand by while anyone questions that truth.

President George "Not A King" Washington (fellow non- liar)

In honesty I am a guy from Delaware and I'm only on this message board because I saw a Triangle in a neighborhood on saturday night with the green and white lights moving fast as fuck. Maybe I'm making fun of Micheal's prediction because it was pretty scary big. Maybe it was moving East from the York County sighting.

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Mmiller
12/17/2018 10:45:11 am

Man o man somebody got into the "adult" cookies...George..dude those are edible marijuana cookies. And bro don't bogart the Doobie toke and pass...we all want some. Oh and stay away from those funny mushrooms in the front yard...they can make you take a trip and never leave the farm... :) Pachow fifth dimension!

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Mmiller
12/17/2018 10:55:44 am

Foil hats here ....get your foil hats here folks...only a dollar. END OF DAYS foil hats...don't forget the kiddies....Foil hats....1 filler.......

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Mmiller
12/19/2018 10:14:47 am

Yeah Jerry the Nazis had some crazy technology. They were even working on a three stage rocket to nuke Washington, there is even evidence of a small controlled nuclear test they successfully detonated. God bless all of our WW2 vets for ending that chapter in history. I'm pretty sure the Kecksburg crash was "der glock " or the bell that went forward in time and space and was secreted away by our government. The only thing about the triangles is there have been no crashes, every secret program has had accidents. Where do you hide a craft 3 football fields wide or a mile wide. And no one has come forward and admitted working on a project like that and you would be talking hundreds of thousands of technicians. REALLY we don't keep secrets all that well.

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Jerry Cornelius
12/19/2018 03:10:03 pm

Agreed. I'm grateful that the Nazi's didn't succeed in winning the war and give thanks to all our vets. The Kecksburg incident is fascinating and the resemblance to the acorn shaped craft that crashed and the Nazi bell is uncanny. I've also thought that they are most likely one and the same. You are correct there have been no reported crashes of any triangle craft. Even with the technology constantly being improved you would think there would be accidents. Perhaps there have been crashes in "secret" testing locations such as Area 51 Those could be covered up, but in this day and age if one ever crashes outside of any of those government installations it would be a lot harder if not impossible to keep secret. Imagine if the internet and social media existed in the 1940's, 1950's or 1960's... oh the things we would all know!

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Mmiller
12/19/2018 10:33:57 am

Also why would these triangles fly over nuke based and deactivate them. Or show interest in nuclear reactors. Militarily speaking what is the advantage of a giant flying office building...seems like a giant target to me.

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Billy Hallmon
12/19/2018 03:29:28 pm

According to Richard Rhodes' book, The Making of the Atomic Bomb," at the end of WWII the allies found that the Nazis had almost no atomic bomb project at all. There is also no proof that they had the fantastic gadgets mentioned above. They did have an advanced rocket and jet aircraft program, which we mostly confiscated. Alan Shepard went into space in 1961 on a modified V-2, called the Redstone.

Some of you people need to stop making these lies up. This is what keeps the UFO field in disarray.

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Mmiller
12/19/2018 09:24:42 pm

Well I beg to differ. The Nazis most certainly had a nuclear program.Army Ordance Office Reich Research Council for nuclear weapon research...photos of technicians climbing all over a atomic pile...shipments of heavy water..one of which my neighbor Andy E.made a bombing run against in 1945. The rocket to hit the east coast was being designed and planned...as were long range bombers..flying wing bombers. I think the stories of successful nuke testing really aren't all that far out. I be live it happened...right next to pows . something landed in Keckburg FACT. The bell was discussed by many top nazi scientists so I'm not so sure it's b.s. There is a testing area were it was said to have been created that was large and round with heavy chains to secure it. The problem was controlling it after the thing was turned on. Is it really so unbelievable to think they dabbled in some of these things? They had jetpacks to move troops...burned up volunteers, experiments in gill-men the horrors of Dr.Mengele etc.etc. Really nothing would surprise me. Can you offer proof these things didn't occur. I can't offer proof it did or didn't but my mind is open to all possibilities. I personally didn't make up anything and don't think my comments would keep the UFO field in disarray hell it's been in disarray since the foo fighters and the battle over Los Angeles....but I guess we can't prove that either. Oh and your Redstone rocket had lots and lots of help from the Chrysler Corporation...God bless America

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Jerry Cornelius
12/20/2018 03:18:34 pm

Cheers Mmiller! I beg to differ as well. There is enough documented proof out there that the Nazi's were working on such things. I personally feel it's far more legitimate and believable proof than it all being created by aliens. Given a little more time the Nazi's probably would have been able to perfect their inventions. Thankfully they didn't and the technology ended up with the allies.

As a side note, I suppose there is a small alien connection to the Nazi's technology although it is more metaphysical than a concrete physical alien presence. The Vril Society played a critical part in the creation of the technology under the direction Maria Orsic. Her and her sister mediums channeled a race of beings from a world around Aldebaran and through their psychic channeling the designs for a number of the discs were put to paper. They wanted the discs to eventually be used for interstellar space travel and go to that world around Aldebaran. However, Hitler and his cronies could care less about that endeavor and strictly wanted the discs to be used as weapons here on Earth. There was a lot of in fighting between Vril and the secret society that Hitler and other Nazi's belonged to known as Thule. By the way, Hitler did ban secret societies except those that would further his cause (Thule, Vril and The Black Sun.) I think a lot of that discord between the women of Vril and those in power didn't help matters when it came to developing the technology. The female mediums who ran Vril weren't Nazi's and didn't really agree with Hitler, but they felt they had little to no choice but to go along with the powers that be or face dire consequences. There is speculation as to what happened to Maria Orsic and the other members of Vril towards the end of the war. Some say they were killed and some say that Maria and her order left this world in one or more of the discs in search of that world around Aldebaran. The first is the most likely scenario and probably under Hitler's orders. The second possibility, although an interesting thought is probably much less likely given the underdevelopment of the discs at the time.

I'm now rambling, but I'm with you Mmiller in that nothing that the Nazi's were allegedly working on would surprise me especially given Hitler's and his cronies deep interest in the occult.

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Billy Hallmon
12/20/2018 03:42:15 pm

Please allow me to repeat my above comment --

According to Richard Rhodes' book, "The Making of the Atomic Bomb," at the end of WWII the allies found that the Nazis had almost no atomic bomb project at all. There is also no proof that they had the fantastic gadgets mentioned above. They did have an advanced rocket and jet aircraft program, which we mostly confiscated. Alan Shepard went into space in 1961 on a modified V-2, called the Redstone.

Some of you people need to stop making these lies up. This is what keeps the UFO field in disarray.

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Jerry Cornelius
12/20/2018 05:26:34 pm

Billy, you are citing a single book source. There have been numerous other books published on the subject, some even in Germany, that tell a very different story. These aren't lies, just research going along a different path to discover the truth. If it turns out to be aliens, wonderful, I'm all for it and would love to meet them. I just choose to look at things from a more terrestrial angle because I see that as being far more believable and less far fetched, even though that sometimes seems along the fantastic. Truth of the matter is, I'm sure there is one thing we can all agree on and that is there is something going on and people have seen some pretty amazing flying craft. Who are what is making them and flying them and what the genesis is of their original creation is by and large still up in the air (no pun intended.)

I don't think the UFO field is in disarray just because people can't agree on things, it's one of the things that makes the subject so fascinating. I've looked into research done from many different perspectives (those that think it has to be extraterrestrial, those that think it's man-made, those that think it's natural phenomena, those that think it's mass hallucination, the conspiracy theories, the historical perspective and every possibility in between.) I've been down many rabbit holes when it comes to this subject and although no closer to the truth than anyone else in the general public have been able to make my own educated guesses as to what that truth is. Do I care if people believe what I believe? No, it's a subject open to speculation and will probably always be, which makes it all the more interesting. I've looked at facts (and theories) presented by many different perspectives from a wide range of researchers and have drawn my own conclusions based on what it currently known and available to the public. I will continue to enjoy studying this subject and look forward to all the new evidence that surfaces even if it paints a different story and possibility.

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Billy Hallmon
12/20/2018 06:26:05 pm

Yesterday it was debunkers like Donald Menzel and Phillip Klass who were the problem in UFOlogy.

Today it is conspiracy theorists who are the problem in UFOlogy. For example, those who preach that Nazis created all these fantastic inventions. which they did not do.

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Mmiller
12/20/2018 09:45:20 pm

Well said Jerry I couldn't agree more. Billy perhaps a trip to the local library to brush up on WW2 history might help instead of a 33 year old book.Operations Alsos, Epsilon, and BIG were all missions to secure German nuclear fission material, prototype reactors records,heavy water, uranium ingots shipped back for study and utilization in OUR atomic program. Did you think they were useing heavy water to brew tea for England? A lot of our GIs lost their lives to stop this madness from becoming reality so you could sit safely home saying Nope never happened. The Nazis WERE extremely advanced..I have learned in my old age the world is amazing and possibilities endless. Multiple universes and dimensions were unheard of 20 years ago. When I was a kid it was the classic saucers. Also rocket shaped craft that flew with unheard speed with portholes and flames shooting out the back, As a kid I thought how could they fly all that way with old fashioned rocket technology. There were round ones hat shaped ones....it was like they were mimicking our technology but one better. Then we moved to bigger saucers...giant flying triangles and cigar shaped craft...gigantic multiple football field sized craft...some reported cigar craft at several miles long. These are not ours...I don't care how much reverse engineering head start we had. So is it really so crazy that some German scientists had their own little Manhattan project going on..or "DER GLOCK" secret program or Philadelphia experiment and who knows what there working on now. Always have a open mind my friend the truth is stranger than we can comprehend ...it's a wacky world we live in.

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Billy Hallmon
12/20/2018 09:59:11 pm

The Nazis lost because they did NOT have the technology that you wish they had.

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Mmiller
12/20/2018 11:56:48 pm

The Nazis lost because of the millions of brave men and women who with selfless sacrifice laid their lives on the line for us and the world. And you better thank your lucky stars they did or you would be speaking German and goose stepping to the incinerators you cheerless oaf.

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Billy Hallmon
12/21/2018 08:34:22 am

Operation Paperclip brought back rocket and jet aircraft technology.
There was no Nazi atomic bomb nor Nazi flying saucers,
Lying conspiracy wannabes are the modern problem in UFO research.

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Mmiller
12/21/2018 09:32:02 am

So none of the above that I quoted from history books really happened. There was no allied effort to stop the nazis from getting nukes. And I guess you believe anything not mainstream conventional thinking is made up by lying conspiracy theorists. And the earth is flat and we didn't land on the moon. Better watch out "Buzz" Aldrin might punch you in the nose too.WOW

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Mmiller
12/21/2018 09:44:34 am

P.S. Operation Paperclip brought back 1600 technicians after the war. We recovered enough PARTS to build around 80 V2s with their help. There was a lot of missing scientists and secret projects that were never found....do your homework.

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Mmiller
12/21/2018 10:31:20 am

Hey Jerry I think we should get Billy tickets to the movie Iron Sky for Christmas ....I think he would enjoy it!!!

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Jerry Cornelius
12/22/2018 01:35:20 pm

Hahaha! I'll get us all popcorn!

I'm still trying to figure out where Billy actually stands as to what all of these mysterious flying craft are, who started the basic ideas of building them, who is building them now and who or perhaps even what is flying them. Your point of view Mmiller is very clear and so is mine, but I'm confused about Billy because he keeps harping on about conspiracy theories being the bane of modern UFO research.

Billy, if you feel that these are extraterrestrial (and there is nothing wrong with that), that is every much a conspiracy theory as the Nazi's and their fantastic inventions starting it all. I find the Nazi's inventions more plausible and far more of a tangible and believable explanation given the well documented history that's currently available as well as the endgame the Nazi's were trying, and thankfully ultimately failed, to achieve at the time. Conspiracy theories have helped more than hurt because they get people interested in doing the research to get at the truth. In the end it really is all conspiracy theory until the ultimate truth is revealed by someone or a group of people who are truly "in the know" about what has been going on in our skies and gives to the world the hard concrete evidence it deserves. I have my doubts if that will ever happen. Personally, I'm very open to all possibilities no matter how "out there" they may seem because having an open mind is really key in discovering the truth. I think getting at the truth is the one ultimate goal we all want as UFO researchers, but being closed minded about the possibilities of what that truth may be is what is really detrimental to the research.

For me as it stands right now, (and I say stands right now because new insight from research might shed light on a totally different possibility and make me change my mind), I see it this way:

1. Just prior to and during WWII the Nazi's began working on new flight technology to further their war effort.

2. Creation of these aerodynamic disc shaped aircraft (Haunebu and Vril) was arduous, costly and took time. While prototypes were being built and tested they still had to fight the war with conventional weapons.

3. It is no secret that not everyone within Hitler's entourage agreed with him and had plans of their own to stop him. There was infighting not only within his own inner circle but within other groups closely connected with Hitler (Vril and Thule to name two that had much to do with the development of the discs.) This inner conflict amongst his own ranks did much to slow down the Nazi's war effort and the development of Hitler's super weapons.

4. The allies were most vigilant during the war and fought a much better strategic fight than the axis. Thankfully, the allies managed to stay several steps ahead of the Nazi's and were able to end the war when they did. If the Nazi's had been given more time there is no telling where the development phases would have ended up with regards to the disc craft and what the outcome of the war would have been. I shudder to think about it (flashes of "The Man In The High Castle" come to mind or worse.) Thank you to all the brave men and women who fought for the allies to bring an end to Hitler's tyranny!

5. Post war efforts were made to recover technology that the German's left behind. Some physical aspects of the technology was recovered, but it wasn't enough to really glean what they had been up to.

6. Operation Paperclip was a game changer. A large number of German scientists and technicians who worked for the Nazi war effort were not only brought to justice, but given an opportunity to work for us and tell us what they knew with regards to the technology the Nazi's had been working on.

7. We have continued to develop this flight technology to this very day coming up with better designs that are faster and even more aerodynamically sound than their predecessors.

8. There have been numerous planes over the years that have been perceived as "alien" in design by those that saw them until the government lifted their "top secret" status and revealed them to the public (F-117 Nighthawk, B-2 Spirit bomber, SR-71 Blackbird just to name a few.) We have flight technology now that is "top secret" and has not been revealed officially to the public, but have been seen by many eyewitnesses. The black triangles (TR-3B? Aurora? call them what you like) are perceived as "alien" and "otherworldly" in design, but someday they too will be revealed officially to the public with a name and will be seen as commonplace as those older "alien" planes.

9. Last but not least, I feel that we don't give the human race enough credit for being able to come up with and create the amazing technology that we have had and currently have. There is always some conspiracy theory going around saying that there must have been alien intervention involved in the creation of this incredible invention or that incredible invent

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Jerry Cornelius
12/22/2018 01:53:49 pm

Looks like the tail end of my last post got cut off...it must have been aliens! Too bad, it ended nicely now it won't have the same spontaneous pizazz if I try and recreate what I wrote at the end there...hmmm lets see point number 9 got cut off...oh yeah it was about human beings not giving themselves enough credit for creating the things we have created both past and present and that aliens had to have intervened in order to create those things. I used the Pyramids and Stonehenge as an example then went into flight and space travel as another example...blah blah blah...you get the point we created those things and aliens had nothing to do with it (in my opinion.)

I ended that post by saying that was all I was going to say on the subject for now and then proceeded to wrap it up like this...

Billy, despite our differences in opinion, you keep on doing UFO research the way you feel it will get you closer to the truth and I will do mine to get closer to that same truth. After all, that is what we are all after...the truth.

Mmiller, it's always nice meeting someone of like mind and wit. I'm new to this forum and you have made me feel very welcome here...thank you! In an earlier post on this thread you said "Always have a open mind my friend the truth is stranger than we can comprehend ...it's a wacky world we live in." You ain't kidding, it is indeed a wacky world we live in! I wouldn't have it any other way.

Now, I will close this post that got cut from the previous post with what I said before...

I hope both of you have a Very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Cheers mates!

Mmiller
12/22/2018 09:30:48 pm

Thanks for the kind words. You and your have a great holiday and spiffy new year. I just finished a liberary book on area 51. Great read can't think of the female authors name. Her final take on the Roswell disks were confiscated German tech sent by Russians to cause war of the world panic in the US. Piloted by children that were deformed by nazi experimentation. Never heard that one before. I have a hard time believing kids could be taught to fly high tech craft. Also the more and more I study Operation Highjump the weirder it gets..ships blowing up..the leading commanders death...British troops swearing they blew up lighted tunnels..really interesting stuff. I had a sighting of a triangle craft about 4 months ago here in florence oregon while the wife and I were walking. Overcast day ...out of nowhere sudden roar overhead looked up to see a triangle shaped shadow the size of a playing card at arms length shoot down the beach at mach 5 GONE. Scared my wife. The things I don't get are..if they are ours where do they hanger and service something that large....in Phoenix a mile wide? What is the advantage of something that large. Giant battleships proved to be not as effective as air craft carriers so that must be what they are. And if they belonged to our military they would be bristling with guns or lasers or whatever. Now if they use a force field for protection...then that is really advanced. Maybe not ours. Also no crashes..area 51 had tons of accidents. Also spy satellites now would pick up something or someone would talk. Love to chat over a beer and figure it all out. I'm sure ill see your comments on mufon keep looking up!!!

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Jerry Cornelius
12/25/2018 06:01:52 am

I'm familiar with that book, "Area 51: An Uncensored History Of America's Top Secret Military Base" by Annie Jacobsen. It's an excellent read and the information regarding Roswell is fascinating. Her source for that information is supposedly someone of high ranking authority, but who knows? There is so much information out there regarding what happened at Roswell it seems more questions get raised than answers. Phil Patton also wrote an excellent book on Area 51 called "Dreamland: Travels Inside The Secret World Of Roswell And Area 51". It is also well worth checking out.

The other day, not too long after posting here, I was flipping around the TV and stumbled upon a really fascinating documentary called "Forbidden History: Top Secret Nazi UFO's". Interspersed in the program was a good amount of archive footage and declassified documents. The documentary's host was also taken by a military journalist and UFO researcher to a very large site in Poland near the village of Ludwikowice Klodzkie in Silesia. The majority of the facility is still intact and underground and there is a very large circular structure sometimes referred to as Hitler's Stonehenge where vertical lift, possibly disc shaped craft, were tested.

Another program of interest was on just after and it was about another top secret base by the name of Dugway located in Utah. UFO researchers have dubbed it Area 52 and it is even more wild than Area 51. The researcher that was being interviewed has spent 20+ years of going as near to the site as you can get and has photographed and seen some incredible things. If he is to be believed, and I don't think he is lying, he has seen conventional jet aircraft so invisible in mid air. It sounded like the military is working on some new form of cloaking or even invisibility. The are signs posted around the facility that lasers are in use and this could have something to do with that. There have also been photographs taken of very non conventional aerial objects flying around the facility. It also seems some of these non conventional craft have crashed there, which lead to speculation with evidence that Dugway has technology to bring these craft down there and out of the public's hands.

As a side note, have you been on Google Earth and checked out Area 51 lately? There is a newer and very very large hanger that was built out there in the southeast part of the complex. A runway type road is surrounding it which has connecting roads to the runways at the Groom Lake bed to the north. Some have speculated that the hanger is for the newest Northrop Grunman B-21 Raider bomber, but who knows?

That sounds like an amazing triangle craft that you and your wife saw, you are very lucky to have got a chance to witness such a thing.

Yes, Operation Highjump is another fascinating topic. One of the other crazy things about that is what Admiral Byrd said off the record to the Chilean Press about disc shaped flying craft attacking them. The US government denies this "off the record" account.

I look forward to your posts here...take care Mmiller!


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Mmiller
12/26/2018 01:17:50 pm

I also was going to tell you to check out the book Silent Invasion by Stan Gordon. This is a pretty exhaustive investigation eyewitnesses, police, military etc....And it's pretty obvious there were sightings and landings and really odd things going on including MIBs. I commented on this on another thread already. But I'm left with some questions...I don't think they piolet these craft like Chewbacca they are more missing link apeman ....who also disappear in a flash of light when shot..go figure..So what do aliens want with Bigfoot. A crossbred genetic experiment, human ape missing link. Or a dimension hopping visitor that also time or dimension shifted along with the craft into our realm. Some of this stuff also borderes on paranormal as well..And who knows perhaps it's all one and the same...Maybe the nazi fascination with the occult isn't so farfetched. I read somewhere that von braun said they had help from space during the war but have never found the quote. Anyway great book eye opener. I wish I was techno savvy to transfer from digital cam to phone.....my photo of what I call a giant flashlight in the sky is pretty weird. Major storm clouds huge dark cylinder with light at one end miles away but huge. Also caught a foo fighter during the world's series giants game....flaming ball of fire..very low...split into two balls ..one shot off the other one followed 2 seconds later. Intelligently controlled balls of energy.WTF. Keep looking up!

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Billy Hallmon
12/26/2018 09:16:07 pm

The Nazis did not have an atomic bomb program.
The Nazis did not develop flying saucers.
The Nazis did not interact with aliens.
Sorry.

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pete peterson
12/27/2018 12:34:20 pm

it's good to be skeptical , Billy , but I also think it's good to look at all kinds of info. I think you are missing a lot of bona fide info that is out there...

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Mmiller
12/27/2018 09:11:56 am

1. Yes for God's sake man it's even in Wikipedia.
2.Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.
3. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't I can't prove it either way and neither can you. Do you even be live in aliens Billy?

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Mmiller
12/27/2018 09:38:42 am

Yeah Jerry I also watched a show on the very large base in Poland mostly underground. The show I watched suggested that Hitler's Stonehenge was actually where they tested "der glock" and had to chain it up due to its unstable nature. One of the inventors was a Jewish pow. They interviewed his son who had a working scale model of it that he had witnessed levitate and hit the ceiling bounceing around when he was a kid after the war. It's a simple machine but unstable when switched on. So like we said one might have gotten away from them and landed in Kecksburg 22 years later. And Dugway has some exotic stuff going on. Invisibility, nano-technology,etc etc. And those are the ones THEY let us see.....Deluce base type facilities are out there hidden also....And who knows how many James Bond secret volcano islands are out there quietly doing research unobserved.

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Lydia Risser link
5/6/2019 02:13:38 pm

May 2, 2019 approx 9 pm, saw a formation very similar to the drawing while driving south of Cocalico, PA. It is riveted in my memory.

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